Yea. we must stop these incredibly heavy and powerfull machines. I mean my gosh! A 13 to 17 pound machine cracking through the air at an ungodly speed of 15 to 25 MPH it's bound to kill some one!!!! Ban all bikes with gears! that's what I say. Make em all fixes and take away there brakes! That will stop these hotdog cyclist!
MUP's are entirely stupid. Being on one is basically like constantly being in a crosswalk. If the pedestrian is almost always going to be protected by the law, they shouldn't be encouraged to mix with vehicle traffic.
And as much as a cyclist may be reckless, many pedestrians also walk like they're drunk or want to play chicken.
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This exact situation happened in SF not long ago. The cyclist was recently charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Hey, if she can sue the city for a lack of traffic law enforcement and win, all jurisdictions in America will soon be faced with either going back to enforcing the traffic laws or going broke.
"I'm a hard-core cyclist [myself]" - Check.
"Just because they wear spandex doesn’t mean they know what they’re doing" - Check.
"beautiful Brooklyn stage actress who was mowed down" / "dad-of-three" - Check.
Why the hell do her profession and looks, or his family status, have anything to do with a report on a cycling accident? Oh, right - because it's a slanted piece of reportage. Note how it doesn't say, for example, "Sonenberg, handsome young elementary teacher and animal shelter volunteer" - just "cyclist". An "avid power-walker" is legitimate, but a spandex-wearing cyclist isn't.
Every time I've had an incident, the other person said: "I'm a biker myself." - The driver who u-turned illegally in the middle of a road without signalling or looking and sent me flying into asphalt (and complained I wasn't wearing a helmet). The runner with headphones looking the other way around a blind turn. The SUV driver who purposely blocked my path and beat me up because he thought I scratched his car a few junctions earlier. The dozens of drivers parking on the few dedicated bike-lanes that we have. Every single one of them responds with "I cycle as well and therefore it's OK for me to do this". I'm sorry, but if a person uses that phrase to start an anti-cycling rant, I'm not going to bother with listening.
Force = mass x velocity^2
Mass of a casual rider: 20+200 = 220lbs
Mass of a racer: 15+150 = 165 lbs
Speed of casual rider: 15mph or 22 ft/s
Speed of racer: 25mph or 37 ft/s
Casual rider: 220 x 22^2 = 106,480 ft-lbs of force
Racer: 165 x 37^2 = 225,885 ft-lbs of force
Sounds potentially deadly to me...
There is no way she can sue the city for this, or at least the judge better throw it out.
Her claim is that the city is responsible for any chance encounter between two people. For one, every single car accident would then be opened up to the city's responsibility too.
That said, there is no doubt that it is tough for that many people crammed into one location to all work and play in harmony. I certainly feel bad for cyclists who try to live in NYC.
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As for the incident at hand, it says she was hit in the park, but then she's complaining about bike lanes. It's unclear that the cyclist did anything wrong at all because it doesn't really say what he did, other than she was "mowed down." They might not be talking too much about it due to the pending lawsuit, but there is simply not enough info in the article to even get a feel for who was at fault, except for maybe a vague feeling that she thought he was riding too fast.
I think its certainly possible that the cyclist was being reckless. This article says a lot, but not a word of evidence either way to that point. Suing the city about bike lanes because a reckless cyclist exists is like saying we should shut down freeways because people speed. Why is it that logic escapes people so often.
What happened to people taking personal responsibility for the dangers of living life, and being active?
Does this lady REALLY think she is going to get millions of dollars because some cyclist ran her down?
Are we just to assume that she was watching where she was going, didn't have headphones on, wasn't distracted?
I think all of this BS, sue everyone for everything because I could get hurt trend is quite disturbing. Liability, and the protection from it is becoming big business. People used to dream of being a star or winning the lottery, now they just look for ways to sue people for thier payoff. Life is dangerous people. Things do happen to folks that are quite tragic, and that is how it goes, but it doesn't mean that someone out there needs to be held negligent for everything and subsidize the rest of your life because of it.
Edit-I would back her decision much more if she were suing the cyclist who hit her rather than the city, for a reasonable amount of damages...like covering her hospital bills, loss of wages, and a down to earth monetary compensation for her P&S.
Last edited by punkncat; 11-18-11 at 10:26 AM.
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Well, it's not like the Post ever aspired to journalism, so no one should be surprised by this hack job of a story. Objective? Huh?Originally Posted by NY Post
Don't believe everything you think.
I'll also say this - I could see either party, ped or cyclist, being at fault. At Prospect Park, there are hordes of oblivious, entitled peds and there are certainly more than a few arrogant, entitled cyclists.
They look like big, good, strong hands, don't they?
If the cyclist was in the bike lane and she crossed in front of him without paying attention and not at a crosswalk which is what the article says then isn't she the one who is at fault? Especially if there is no speed limit for cyclists in the park which I thought I read as well. How can the cyclist be at fault here since it seems he broke no laws and didn't really do anything wrong besides maybe not using common sense and riding slower in a high traffic area where some idiot might walk in front of you and get hit?
You get out what you put in. No whining and no excuses.
I've never been to NYC, but from what I've read, there are issues with cyclists being reckless around the city. Of course that has nothing whatsoever to do with bike lanes and other infrastructure changes. Motorists want them out of the roads, so they make bike lanes. Now pedestrians want them out of their way.
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