Police kill rider with taser
12-02-11, 05:41 PM
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I don't disagree with a lot of what he says, but his approach really turns me off. Especially with something like this, where the info we have to go on is extremely limited and people like DC are willing to toss out wild speculation, arguing as if it were some kind of fact.
That's why I pointed out the "innocent until proven guilty" part of what he posted -- maybe he should wait until the info is available before staking out a position. Kinda hypocritical to comment on the situation, essentially assuming the cop is guilty and green before getting any more of the facts than those presented in the original skimpy report.
That's why I pointed out the "innocent until proven guilty" part of what he posted -- maybe he should wait until the info is available before staking out a position. Kinda hypocritical to comment on the situation, essentially assuming the cop is guilty and green before getting any more of the facts than those presented in the original skimpy report.
Yes, in this case there is a minimal amount of details, but there is enough suggest a likely chain of event of that night.
The only things that we really know that happened that night are:
a) the cyclist fell off of his bike
b) a concerned citizen called 911/the police
c) the cop who according to the article was on the job a month saw him take something from his pocket & put it in his mouth
d) the man on the bicycle did not respond to the officers attempts to pull him over
e) the officer resorted to tasing him
f) the man on the bicycle ended up dying
g) family of the deceased told the newspaper that he was not only hard of hearing but had a history of suffering from seizures
Given the last item it is reasonable to presume that he did not hear either the sirens or the officer yelling out of his window, and that what the officer witnessed the deceased take out of his pocket and put in his mouth was his anti-seizure medicine.
The deceased did NOTHING (from what was reported) to warrant either being tased or losing his life over.
12-02-11, 06:27 PM
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12-02-11, 11:59 PM
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I look forward to seeing the results of the autopsy, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to be printed either in any update in the paper (or any paper) from the OP or that it'll find it's way here. I would hope that I'm wrong, and that it does get published in the same newspaper and/or here.
12-03-11, 09:22 AM
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I'm beating a dead horse, and this is my last post until further information is posted, but let's look at what you're saying here:
How did the officer make his presence known? Did he pull up alongside the bike? If the officer was yelling out of his window, it's safe to assume that. How was he tased? Did the cop lean out of the window and taze him? Did the cop stop the car and run after him? Was the bike at a stop and the man was trying to pedal away? Was he stopped and trying to swallow whatever he had? Why are you assuming the man was taking prescribed medication? Why are you assuming the family was telling the truth about his medical conditions?
Somehow I don't think that will change anyone's mind.
The only things that we really know that happened that night are:
d) the man on the bicycle did not respond to the officers attempts to pull him over
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g) family of the deceased told the newspaper that he was not only hard of hearing but had a history of suffering from seizures
Given the last item it is reasonable to presume that he did not hear either the sirens or the officer yelling out of his window, and that what the officer witnessed the deceased take out of his pocket and put in his mouth was his anti-seizure medicine.
d) the man on the bicycle did not respond to the officers attempts to pull him over
...
g) family of the deceased told the newspaper that he was not only hard of hearing but had a history of suffering from seizures
Given the last item it is reasonable to presume that he did not hear either the sirens or the officer yelling out of his window, and that what the officer witnessed the deceased take out of his pocket and put in his mouth was his anti-seizure medicine.
I look forward to seeing the results of the autopsy
12-03-11, 09:22 AM
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Yes, in this case there is a minimal amount of details, but there is enough suggest a likely chain of event of that night.
The only things that we really know that happened that night are:
a) the cyclist fell off of his bike
b) a concerned citizen called 911/the police
c) the cop who according to the article was on the job a month saw him take something from his pocket & put it in his mouth
d) the man on the bicycle did not respond to the officers attempts to pull him over
e) the officer resorted to tasing him
f) the man on the bicycle ended up dying
g) family of the deceased told the newspaper that he was not only hard of hearing but had a history of suffering from seizures
Given the last item it is reasonable to presume that he did not hear either the sirens or the officer yelling out of his window, and that what the officer witnessed the deceased take out of his pocket and put in his mouth was his anti-seizure medicine.
The deceased did NOTHING (from what was reported) to warrant either being tased or losing his life over.
The only things that we really know that happened that night are:
a) the cyclist fell off of his bike
b) a concerned citizen called 911/the police
c) the cop who according to the article was on the job a month saw him take something from his pocket & put it in his mouth
d) the man on the bicycle did not respond to the officers attempts to pull him over
e) the officer resorted to tasing him
f) the man on the bicycle ended up dying
g) family of the deceased told the newspaper that he was not only hard of hearing but had a history of suffering from seizures
Given the last item it is reasonable to presume that he did not hear either the sirens or the officer yelling out of his window, and that what the officer witnessed the deceased take out of his pocket and put in his mouth was his anti-seizure medicine.
The deceased did NOTHING (from what was reported) to warrant either being tased or losing his life over.
More pure, baseless speculation/BS on your part unsupported by anything in the article.
It's tragic. It shouldn't have happened. I'll leave final judgement to whatever investigatory procedure goes down.
Because when it comes right down to it, I wasn't there, reporters are notoriously non-comprehensive in reportage and recently getting much worse, and I'm not going to publicly judge something I have neither the knowledge, skills, or authority to judge.
Honestly? Regarding this case and that other one, where a non-cyclist mentally disabled guy was killed recently when he ran from cops for no reason, as in he had not done anything wrong at that point, just bolting out of fear? What set both of them off was someone sticking their nose in not their business -- calls from snitches.
Stop snitchin': innocent people die when you do.
12-03-11, 01:15 PM
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I'm beating a dead horse, and this is my last post until further information is posted, but let's look at what you're saying here:
How did the officer make his presence known? Did he pull up alongside the bike? If the officer was yelling out of his window, it's safe to assume that. How was he tased? Did the cop lean out of the window and taze him? Did the cop stop the car and run after him? Was the bike at a stop and the man was trying to pedal away? Was he stopped and trying to swallow whatever he had? Why are you assuming the man was taking prescribed medication? Why are you assuming the family was telling the truth about his medical conditions?
Somehow I don't think that will change anyone's mind.
How did the officer make his presence known? Did he pull up alongside the bike? If the officer was yelling out of his window, it's safe to assume that. How was he tased? Did the cop lean out of the window and taze him? Did the cop stop the car and run after him? Was the bike at a stop and the man was trying to pedal away? Was he stopped and trying to swallow whatever he had? Why are you assuming the man was taking prescribed medication? Why are you assuming the family was telling the truth about his medical conditions?
Somehow I don't think that will change anyone's mind.
You do know that lots of people will transfer some of their meds into different/smaller containers to carry with them so that they do not risk loosing a one or two or three month supply of their meds.
And again I have to ask just what is it that the man on the bike did to:
a) warrant being stopped by a cop
b) tased by a cop for not stopping
c) dying over
12-03-11, 01:19 PM
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They're attempting to spill this over into the disability forum, you guys happy now?
12-03-11, 01:56 PM
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There never WILL be; show me a case over the last 20 years of an LEO fired, criminally convicted, or successfully sued for racial bias in the execution of his duties. I'd like a see one.....
Racism is a daily thing, from all races and toward all races. It's real; it exists. If you wait for EVIDENCE of everything, you're going to be VERY OLD before your foundation of beliefs is established.
Racism is a daily thing, from all races and toward all races. It's real; it exists. If you wait for EVIDENCE of everything, you're going to be VERY OLD before your foundation of beliefs is established.
12-03-11, 02:20 PM
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Most do not engage in baseless speculation. That's your specialty. There's no one here arguing as much based on pure speculation, assumption, and presumption as you. Take a cue from others -- it's not necessary, not helpful, and in many cases detracts from actual valid points you try to make.
I knew you couldn't do it.
More pure, baseless speculation/BS on your part unsupported by anything in the article.
It's tragic. It shouldn't have happened. I'll leave final judgement to whatever investigatory procedure goes down.
Because when it comes right down to it, I wasn't there, reporters are notoriously non-comprehensive in reportage and recently getting much worse, and I'm not going to publicly judge something I have neither the knowledge, skills, or authority to judge.
Honestly? Regarding this case and that other one, where a non-cyclist mentally disabled guy was killed recently when he ran from cops for no reason, as in he had not done anything wrong at that point, just bolting out of fear? What set both of them off was someone sticking their nose in not their business -- calls from snitches.
Stop snitchin': innocent people die when you do.
I knew you couldn't do it.
More pure, baseless speculation/BS on your part unsupported by anything in the article.
It's tragic. It shouldn't have happened. I'll leave final judgement to whatever investigatory procedure goes down.
Because when it comes right down to it, I wasn't there, reporters are notoriously non-comprehensive in reportage and recently getting much worse, and I'm not going to publicly judge something I have neither the knowledge, skills, or authority to judge.
Honestly? Regarding this case and that other one, where a non-cyclist mentally disabled guy was killed recently when he ran from cops for no reason, as in he had not done anything wrong at that point, just bolting out of fear? What set both of them off was someone sticking their nose in not their business -- calls from snitches.
Stop snitchin': innocent people die when you do.
Fortunately for the caller she is probably protected by the Good Samaritan law(s).
12-03-11, 02:28 PM
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Disabilities come in all sorts of ways, and just because a person doesn't "look" disabled doesn't mean that they're not disabled.
12-04-11, 11:04 AM
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If the deceased truly was disabled why shouldn't it "spill" over to the disability forum? Not all disabilities are apparent to the naked eye. The VA has me rated as 70% Service Connected Disabled. Yet to the naked, untrained eye, I do not look disabled. Especially considering that I do ride a bike between at a minimum 20 - 25 miles per day and usually more like between 25 - 30 miles per day.
Disabilities come in all sorts of ways, and just because a person doesn't "look" disabled doesn't mean that they're not disabled.
Disabilities come in all sorts of ways, and just because a person doesn't "look" disabled doesn't mean that they're not disabled.
12-08-11, 02:21 PM
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Fuel for the fire gents https://www.rrdailyherald.com/opinion...871e3ce6c.html opinion/fluff piece with some background on the town and a few references to the incident(no new direct information).
12-09-11, 02:48 AM
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Fuel for the fire gents https://www.rrdailyherald.com/opinion...871e3ce6c.html opinion/fluff piece with some background on the town and a few references to the incident(no new direct information).
12-09-11, 03:15 AM
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If the deceased truly was disabled why shouldn't it "spill" over to the disability forum? Not all disabilities are apparent to the naked eye. The VA has me rated as 70% Service Connected Disabled. Yet to the naked, untrained eye, I do not look disabled. Especially considering that I do ride a bike between at a minimum 20 - 25 miles per day and usually more like between 25 - 30 miles per day.
Disabilities come in all sorts of ways, and just because a person doesn't "look" disabled doesn't mean that they're not disabled.
Disabilities come in all sorts of ways, and just because a person doesn't "look" disabled doesn't mean that they're not disabled.
12-09-11, 08:26 AM
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Trying to make something racial out of it is stupid. So far all we know is a a man was tazed for no good reason. While I support the police, in this case it was totally ignorant for the cop to taze the cyclist. Fact---the cyclist was of no immediate danger to the public--so tazing him and causing him to fall borders on criminal action.
12-09-11, 11:12 AM
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snip this dribble--
Honestly? Regarding this case and that other one, where a non-cyclist mentally disabled guy was killed recently when he ran from cops for no reason, as in he had not done anything wrong at that point, just bolting out of fear? What set both of them off was someone sticking their nose in not their business -- calls from snitches.
Stop snitchin': innocent people die when you do.
Honestly? Regarding this case and that other one, where a non-cyclist mentally disabled guy was killed recently when he ran from cops for no reason, as in he had not done anything wrong at that point, just bolting out of fear? What set both of them off was someone sticking their nose in not their business -- calls from snitches.
Stop snitchin': innocent people die when you do.
Obviously, the police force is going to pay through the nose for this mistake. Yet I sure hope this rookie cop spends a few months in jail for his crime.
12-09-11, 11:23 AM
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There is no ETA on any report, the SBI isn't saying anything and nothing has been said to any news outlet. The police department of course is also saying nothing, the "good samaritan" doesn't seem to be coming forward either. So we wait. As for people not agreeing with my humor, it was a joke and sad as well since the very first post in it referenced that it was brought there from here.. not brought up there directly. It was an actual spill over.. you don't have to find it funny but you have to comprehend this childish argument is indeed rippling out.
12-09-11, 03:48 PM
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Trying to make something racial out of it is stupid. So far all we know is a a man was tazed for no good reason. While I support the police, in this case it was totally ignorant for the cop to taze the cyclist. Fact---the cyclist was of no immediate danger to the public--so tazing him and causing him to fall borders on criminal action.
Police killed deaf cyclist with stun gun.......
It also has links to a couple of other articles on the topic.
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According to the article, a family member "said her brother was disabled, suffered from seizures and had trouble hearing". This does not read as "victim was deaf". Was he blind too? The article stated it was "Sunday night" and "[the officer] followed Anthony in his patrol car, briefly put on his sirens and lights and yelled out of the window for him to stop". The whole story isn't being told here.
My favorite part is where the Mayor throws the cop under the bus. That's a great way to keep an effective police force.
My favorite part is where the Mayor throws the cop under the bus. That's a great way to keep an effective police force.
12-10-11, 06:53 AM
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I could tell horror stories of ****bag cops, breaking laws on a daily basis, and other things, and getting away with it. Later, ill give you all a few TRUTHFUL stories, that either myself, or friends have encountered when dealing w/LEOs. One of my neighbors got a "jaywalking in an alley" ticket once, no bs(saw the ticket myself). How does one "jaywalk in an alley" anyway?
12-10-11, 01:47 PM
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https://www.rrdailyherald.com/news/ca...cc4c03286.html same time frame as the earlier articles, give a little more detail etc. Up to 3 months on the report.
12-10-11, 03:07 PM
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https://www.rrdailyherald.com/news/ca...cc4c03286.html same time frame as the earlier articles, give a little more detail etc. Up to 3 months on the report.
