not that i ride because of gas prices but...
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Compare apples to apples. The wholesale cost of gasoline or diesel is the same everywhere. The transportation cost, retail overhead, and the tax rate is what makes the difference between here or there. In South Carolina, we pay 37 cents per gallon (44th in the nation) while Canada and European nations tax fuel at a much higher rate to pay for social programs. By law, fuel tax can only be used for transportation related expenses in the USA.
Yeah, the OPEC folks are just lining their turbans by controlling the vast majority of the world's oil.
Yeah, the OPEC folks are just lining their turbans by controlling the vast majority of the world's oil.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
Yeah, the OPEC folks are just lining their turbans by controlling the vast majority of the world's oil.
Oil (and energy) prices were driven up by the speculative play of the market. Simple greed and a herd mentality. Did you see any stations posting "No Gas Today" signs this summer? The bubble burst, due in part to the producing countries pumping as much as they could, and prices dropped like a rock.
Oil hit $55 this fall and I paid $2.25 for gas. Last spring oil hover in the high $30 range yet I paid $2.50 for gas. Go figure.
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Yesterday I rode my bike to get some chow during my lunch break and as I was riding back to work I noticed the gas was $1.55/gal and a slew of trucks and SUVs almost out to the street were filling up. I should of yelled "pigs at the troft" as I was riding by but I didn't think of it at the time. I was shaking my head in disgust at how much we're addicted to oil!
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But when we were last in France...We fueled up in Paris and our litlle Fiat got us all the way to Lyon without fueling up..Liters/ KM did not figure mileage. But $60 of gas got us all the way to the south of France..Don't think a Hummer would do that..
US prices go to $3 a gallon maybe we will see more hybrids..
Bet at $3 gallon the equilivant cost of operating a Hummer would exceed that cost of driving from Paris to somewhere south of Lyon..
Maybe, $3 plus gas will see more cyclists soon on the commute and better facilities for bikes on mass transit...Might be good for me..
Don't need no stinkin SUV for toting my bikes..My roof rack/rear rack can accommadate up to three bikes.
US prices go to $3 a gallon maybe we will see more hybrids..
Bet at $3 gallon the equilivant cost of operating a Hummer would exceed that cost of driving from Paris to somewhere south of Lyon..
Maybe, $3 plus gas will see more cyclists soon on the commute and better facilities for bikes on mass transit...Might be good for me..
Don't need no stinkin SUV for toting my bikes..My roof rack/rear rack can accommadate up to three bikes.
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
Because he had the best liars on his team
The world has voted on the current well being of the US economy..
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There have been studies done that calculate "hidden" costs of gas in the US, factoring in things like subsidies paid to oil companies, military incursions in the Middle East, and environmental cleanup...all paid for by our tax dollars. It sent the cost of gas up between $6 and $10 per gallon.
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Up here in Humboldt County CA I pay $2.65 per gal to fill up when I want to take a road trip. For that reason I never drive anywhere in town, only when I'm going more than 20miles will I drive. Since we should be running out of oil in the next 50 years if current consumption rates continue I think it's appropriate for it to become more expensive. Several years ago when I could still fill up for 99cents/gal in central CA I took a trip to northern canada and I was paying the equivalent of $5 US for a US gallon.
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Originally Posted by hi565
...why why why did bush have to win.
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Originally Posted by TechJD
It dont really matter whos in office cause congress runs the country not the Pres
It's on Wall Street.
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Originally Posted by Trab
There have been studies done that calculate "hidden" costs of gas in the US, factoring in things like subsidies paid to oil companies, military incursions in the Middle East, and environmental cleanup...all paid for by our tax dollars. It sent the cost of gas up between $6 and $10 per gallon.
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Originally Posted by John Ridley
Citation please? I'd really like to have this argument available, but in the group I hang out with, you don't get to square one without the citation. Where/when/by whom were these studies done?
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
Because he had the best liars on his team
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Originally Posted by IronHorse
My heart bleeds for you. 80 pence per litre in the UK.
You can do the math but it's a sight more than $2 per gal (even US Gal )
You can do the math but it's a sight more than $2 per gal (even US Gal )
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Originally Posted by koffee brown
Why people keep comparing the price of gas here to other countries still baffles me. Those countries have TAXES way more than what our taxes are added into the price of gas. What you should be doing if you're going to compare prices is find out what the price of the gas is BEFORE they slap all their surplus taxes on top of it. Then we start to get an idea of what Europeans vs. USA pays for a gallon of gas.
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Expatriate: You have to remember that a US Gallon is 3.8 litres, not 4.5. With the exchange rate (what it is now about 72c?), it works out to around, $2.90 US per gallon, and 50% of that is tax.
CHEERS.
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CHEERS.
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Originally Posted by Expatriate
Tax or no tax, I'm paying way more money for less fuel.
CHEERS.
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Originally Posted by Dutchy
Expatriate: You have to remember that a US Gallon is 3.8 litres, not 4.5. With the exchange rate (what it is now about 72c?), it works out to around, $2.90 US per gallon, and 50% of that is tax.
CHEERS.
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another good website for citations and links to just about everything is www.culturechange.org. gas is so expensive in other parts of the world not because they are taxed more but are actually subsidized less. if our government didn't subsidize the industry gas prices would resemble those in europe. another thing about peak oil, we are at least 25 years away from a workable renewabel energy resource that can provide as much energy as oil. because our governemnt subsidizes oil and not research into renewable technologies we might be up ****creek in a few years when peak oil hits.
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Originally Posted by SecretSatellite
another good website for citations and links to just about everything is www.culturechange.org. gas is so expensive in other parts of the world not because they are taxed more but are actually subsidized less. if our government didn't subsidize the industry gas prices would resemble those in europe. another thing about peak oil, we are at least 25 years away from a workable renewabel energy resource that can provide as much energy as oil. because our governemnt subsidizes oil and not research into renewable technologies we might be up ****creek in a few years when peak oil hits.
We don't have a replacement for oil and natural gas today and the forseable future and it would take a major scientific discovery on the same level as the atomic bomb to actually find a renewable technology. Don't believe for a second this discovery is just around the corner because it's not.
I still believe when the time comes, we'll return right back to coal for hydrogen/electro production which is why no one is concerned. We do have a nonrenewable resource that can last hundreds of years.
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
What renewable energy resource is this? Trees? Water? We don't have a replacement for oil and natural gas today and the forseable future.
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The grocery store in my neighborhood has a water aisle. Water is sold is 12 oz. bottles, 20 oz. bottles, half gallons and gallons. Some of the water is in fancy bottles from France. Some is sold in plain bottles, and appears to be nothing more than regular Texas tap water.
Depending on how FANCY the water, and the size of the bottle, the price ranges from about a dollar a gallon up to about five dollars a gallon. Two dollars a gallon is about average.
So, what I can't figure out is: how can someone drill an oil well in Iraq, ship the oil to Houston, refine it into gasoline, add about a half a dollar in various local, state, and federal taxes, and then sell gasoline for $2? As long as gasoline is cheaper than water, people will be using Suburbans to go two blocks to pick up one loaf of bread.
I wish gasoline sold for about ten dollars a gallon. People would learn how to walk, ride bikes, read a bus schedule, or run a car pool. Employers might learn to set up more modest sized operations in each neighborhood, rather than run "mega" sized facilities that import thousands of workers commuting from thirty, forty, or fifty miles away.
Oil will be scarce within our grandchildrens' lifetimes (whether that is in thirty years, sixty years, or two hundred years). School children of the future will read with amazement how the Americans who lived between 1950 and 2050 used up more than half of the earth's supply of oil during a century-long orgy of waste.
Depending on how FANCY the water, and the size of the bottle, the price ranges from about a dollar a gallon up to about five dollars a gallon. Two dollars a gallon is about average.
So, what I can't figure out is: how can someone drill an oil well in Iraq, ship the oil to Houston, refine it into gasoline, add about a half a dollar in various local, state, and federal taxes, and then sell gasoline for $2? As long as gasoline is cheaper than water, people will be using Suburbans to go two blocks to pick up one loaf of bread.
I wish gasoline sold for about ten dollars a gallon. People would learn how to walk, ride bikes, read a bus schedule, or run a car pool. Employers might learn to set up more modest sized operations in each neighborhood, rather than run "mega" sized facilities that import thousands of workers commuting from thirty, forty, or fifty miles away.
Oil will be scarce within our grandchildrens' lifetimes (whether that is in thirty years, sixty years, or two hundred years). School children of the future will read with amazement how the Americans who lived between 1950 and 2050 used up more than half of the earth's supply of oil during a century-long orgy of waste.
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus
No, actually, it isn't nearly high enough, judging by the number of behemoths that still roam America's roads - and are in fact still rising in size and popularity.
Hell, even the astronomic prices in Europe aren't high enough considering the rampant proliferation of said vehicles on this side of the pond as well.
Hell, even the astronomic prices in Europe aren't high enough considering the rampant proliferation of said vehicles on this side of the pond as well.
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I laught at all of you except the guy in Humbolt. Last summer you may have seen the gas station with $3 gas on the news? It was in Santa Barbara. Gas is about $2.50 now.