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Old 01-06-12, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JHendrix
I've had the camera for about a week now and that's the worst past I've caught on video so far. It scared the **** out of me when he passed me, and I was pushed to the right a little. He was going around 45 mph.
I am glad you are okay.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
I wonder what the letter of complaint will look like. "Dear Sir or Madam: The other day I was riding with my elbow in a traffic lane, and the driver of your truck passed me in his own lane while obeying the speed limit. I demand to know how you plan on addressing this serious issue."
Perhaps it would reference the statute that the driver was violating.

Geez, just keeping the rubber side down is insufficient. When I was driving a commercial rig, the companies I worked for took such complaints seriously and more than one driver who insisted on staying in a stupor while behind the wheel was shown the exit.
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If the OP wants to avoid what he considers "close" passes, perhaps he should move over in his own lane. Riding right up against the adjoining traffic lane and then demanding that everyone move over to give him the space he deems necessary is arrogant at best - and that arrogance is compounded by the complaints that the motorist is flaunting the law. It's akin to taking out a restraining order against someone, and then chasing him around and complaining that he's violating your space.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
If the OP wants to avoid what he considers "close" passes, perhaps he should move over in his own lane. Riding right up against the adjoining traffic lane and then demanding that everyone move over to give him the space he deems necessary is arrogant at best - and that arrogance is compounded by the complaints that the motorist is flaunting the law. It's akin to taking out a restraining order against someone, and then chasing him around and complaining that he's violating your space.
So the video might not be the best example, but this does happen all the time to cyclists Do you have any advice for when he is all the way over,sharing a non-bike lane or taking the full lane when someone passes within the 3ft? I don't think your previous letter example would be very effective.
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
Has anyone known of any motorist ever being cited for violating the passing distance law in any state? Here in OR we have a great passing distance law, albeit with a pitifully small fine, that as far as I know has never been enforced (ORS 811.065). Motorists are required to give us room to fall down in their direction when they pass us on roads with speed limits over 35 mph and no bike lane. On Tuesday afternoon I rode past a sheriff's deputy who was on traffic duty on Hwy101 (popular bike touring road). The deputy just watched as several motorists passed within a couple of feet of me. I've even had a friend of a neighbor run over under conditions where this law applies and the killer wasn't even cited (statute says contact is an automatic violation, duh).
I remember a couple months ago, I was on a local 30mph road when a vehicle passed me less than three feet. A police cruiser was right behind the driver, yet did nothing. I wanted to make a report. But both, officers' and motorists' that don't bike, just don't care. They behave like they couldn't be bothered with that law.

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On the OP's question of what I do when I am passed illegally: First off, I make it difficult to pass me unsafely and I don't get worked up over the motorists who can't be bothered with following the law. Once in a while I will get a chance to chat with one of the offenders. After some initial hostility, they usually relax and express some appreciation for being informed of this four-year-old change in our law. I don't make it about their ignorance or poor driving skills, rather I talk about the wonderful local woman whose death led to the law and what a shame it is that the law is a secret. We usually part with smiles, handshakes and the occasional hug. I think my wrinkly face helps defuse what could be misinterpreted as a confrontation; I suppose this would be tougher for younger cyclists.
I agree.

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If the offending vehicle is a school bus then I call the school district's transportation supervisor. I've had some success in altering one of my local school district's training. If the offending vehicle is a commercial vehicle, I sometimes call the company. I make it a point to be polite and let them know that I am also a commercial driver which seems to help. I've never had a repeat issue from the same company.
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Today a guy in a one ton duley pulling a 24 foot long farm trailer Not onle tryed to push me off the road but blew his big truck air horn as he went past me. No berm on the road. In a two mile section of road i was buzzed three times with horns blaring.
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Originally Posted by weshigh
So the video might not be the best example, but this does happen all the time to cyclists Do you have any advice for when he is all the way over,sharing a non-bike lane or taking the full lane when someone passes within the 3ft? I don't think your previous letter example would be very effective.
Your video is more appropriate than the OP's video, for the essence of troubling close passes. The OP was riding, not in the travel lane but on the shoulder. So I don't think the respective passing law could apply. In your video, the white car that passed really close, then quickly changed lanes back into the travel lane is the reason why I 'take the lane'. It was obvious the motorist was an aggressive driver. The SUV driver didn't bother me UNTIL he pulled that moronic move forcing you into oncoming traffic. They both should be cited.
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Still not sure how this guy managed to squeeze past while staying entirely within the same (narrow) lane.


Others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5tXoV219Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKrxxrOsihU

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Originally Posted by degnaw
Still not sure how this guy managed to squeeze past while staying entirely within the same (narrow) lane.
Double yellow, oncoming traffic, and the door was left open just enough, a bad combo for Mario Crashcups in their taking advantage of.

My closest pass was even more intimidating when I reviewed my rear video and saw the motorist's severely damaged right front fender and bumper, from a previous collision, that I happen to miss on the original pass.
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Originally Posted by degnaw
Still not sure how this guy managed to squeeze past while staying entirely within the same (narrow) lane.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKrxxrOsihU
I am guessing that is a semi-rural road, and motorists' have a tendency to go fast, on occasion? I would 'take the lane' on the road in the video, in order to have an 'out' when there is a close pass.
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What do I do when I see the fast moving vehicle who does have the time or willingness to move over and pass safely?

I let out a primal scream. With a little practice, you can time the scream as the motorist is close at hand. It helps me release the rush of adrenaline from the possible near death experience. I also try to note & remember the license plate number as a memory exercise.

Cheers!
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My advice...

Originally Posted by weshigh
So the video might not be the best example, but this does happen all the time to cyclists Do you have any advice for when he is all the way over,sharing a non-bike lane or taking the full lane when someone passes within the 3ft? I don't think your previous letter example would be very effective.
Use a mirror and as a car approaches move to the left, forcing him a bit left then move right as he gets close. It is helpful in some marginal situations.
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Originally Posted by Chris516
I am guessing that is a semi-rural road, and motorists' have a tendency to go fast, on occasion? I would 'take the lane' on the road in the video, in order to have an 'out' when there is a close pass.
It's a 45mph road, so many people do 50+. I don't take the lane on this type of road (quiet, fast, semi-rural) because close passes are extremely rare, and I appreciate the extra buffer room from people flying by at 55mph.

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Double yellow, oncoming traffic, and the door was left open just enough, a bad combo for Mario Crashcups in their taking advantage of.
Funnily enough, there was no oncoming traffic at the time.
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Originally Posted by degnaw
Funnily enough, there was no oncoming traffic at the time.
As you said, motorists are traveling at 55 mph and 4 seconds later the motorist meets up with oncoming traffic at a closing speed of 100+ mph.
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Originally Posted by degnaw
It's a 45mph road, so many people do 50+. I don't take the lane on this type of road (quiet, fast, semi-rural) because close passes are extremely rare, and I appreciate the extra buffer room from people flying by at 55mph.
A lot of motorists do that around here.
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Originally Posted by dynodonn
As you said, motorists are traveling at 55 mph and 4 seconds later the motorist meets up with oncoming traffic at a closing speed of 100+ mph.
4 seconds is a really long time to move back into the lane - other drivers manage to pass perfectly safely through much smaller gaps than that.
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Originally Posted by degnaw
4 seconds is a really long time to move back into the lane - other drivers manage to pass perfectly safely through much smaller gaps than that.
If this is considered a rare incident for you, then continue to enjoy your rides and chalk it up to as an isolated incident where an arrogant, or lazy motorist didn't wish to take the time to make a safe pass.

I could not make out the license number, were you able to?
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Originally Posted by JHendrix
What do you guys do about vehicles passing too closely? Here in Florida, the law states:
In Austin (we don't have a statewide "vulnerable road user passing law" yet) the law says 3' or 6' for commercial vehicles, but also says that passing in a different lane satisfies the law even if the distance is small. So the Austin law wouldn't have even considered this to have been a moving violation.

As for what to do about it, right on the ride side of the shoulder? Use a mirror? The police certainly aren't likely to do much based on this video.
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Originally Posted by weshigh
Not much to do about them passing closely. I usually don't even post my close passes. I believe the silver car at the beginning of this encounter is one of my closest passes.

Clearly, this guy was at least guilty of public profanity and verbal intimidation. Whatever there's definately a crime here simply in the exchange. I'd have filmed his plate number, filed a complaint and let the authorities handle it. If anybody was an 'effing idiot' in this situation it was him. To quote Bugs Bunny: Whatamaroon!
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Originally Posted by nashcommguy
Clearly, this guy was at least guilty of public profanity and verbal intimidation. Whatever there's definitely a crime here simply in the exchange. I'd have filmed his plate number, filed a complaint and let the authorities handle it. If anybody was an 'effing idiot' in this situation it was him. To quote Bugs Bunny: Whatamaroon!
I sure hope the cops get to see this video. Because that is blatantly obvious.
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Today I was swiped by a mean cab driver. I was on the right-most lane which in fact no other cars would go that far to the side, because it was coming to an end as the street got narrower at a construction area. This cab suddenly came from behind on my left; before I could dodge to the right, he passed me and clipped my handlebar. He then stopped in the front. As I continued riding and passed him, he shouted from the car: "What's the matter with you?!" Huh? I didn't even know why he took the trouble to drive to the very far side of the street just to cause some trouble for me! I replied the same, and continued ridng. A few seconds later, he came from behind, and again passed me closely, with accelerated speed, then sped away. Heaven knows what made him unhappy today. I had two great taillights (it was already dark near 6pm), one in center, one on the left, so unless he was deliberately causing trouble, there's no reason he chased me to the side of the street and showed all this inexplicable rage. I guess there is no way to prevent this kind of drivers.

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Originally Posted by vol
Today I was swiped by a mean cab driver. I was on the right-most lane which in fact no other cars would go that far to the side, because it was coming to an end as the street got narrower at a construction area. This cab suddenly came from behind on my left; before I could dodge to the right, he passed me and clipped my handlebar. He then stopped in the front. As I continued riding and passed him, he shouted from the car: "What's the matter with you?!" Huh? I didn't even know why he took the trouble to drive to the very far side of the street just to cause some trouble for me! I replied the same, and continued ridng. A few seconds later, he came from behind, and again passed me closely, with accelerated speed, then sped away. Heaven knows what made him unhappy today. I had two great taillights (it was already dark near 6pm), one in center, one on the left, so unless he was deliberately causing trouble, there's no reason he chased me to the side of the street and showed all this inexplicable rage. I guess there is no way to prevent this kind of drivers.
If he did it twice, he clearly did it on purpose.

I re-read my response and, I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was just being 'matter of fact'.

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On the day that the OP posted his question, on my commute home, I had a very close pass (the car brushed my arm and leg). I captured it on video here

https://youtu.be/wyf3nRhOUtg .

I am on a 4 lane road, with parked cars along the side of the road and Sharrows. I am riding towards the left side of the sharrow markings, which is as close to the door zone as I dare ride. My tail light is a dinotte, so it is doubtful that the motorist did not see me.
At 17 seconds into the clip I am passed by a silver car.
At 20 seconds, the car that just passed, applies his brakes.
At 23 seconds a Prius passes me close enough to make contact with me - hitting my left arm - I yell 'Watch It' at him, and he slows, which means that I am once again in front of the Prius driver, who starts to lay on the horn, expressing his displeasure at my existence.
He then passes again, again, very close, and starts rapidly weaving back and forth within the lane.

I moved to the left lane, and I make a left turn at the next intersection.

This took place on Southbound Bowers, in Santa Clara, CA, between Monroe and Cabrillo, on Jan 6 2012, at approximately 5:30pm.
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Originally Posted by sauerwald
On the day that the OP posted his question, on my commute home, I had a very close pass (the car brushed my arm and leg). I captured it on video here

https://youtu.be/wyf3nRhOUtg .

I am on a 4 lane road, with parked cars along the side of the road and Sharrows. I am riding towards the left side of the sharrow markings, which is as close to the door zone as I dare ride. My tail light is a dinotte, so it is doubtful that the motorist did not see me.
At 17 seconds into the clip I am passed by a silver car.
At 20 seconds, the car that just passed, applies his brakes.
At 23 seconds a Prius passes me close enough to make contact with me - hitting my left arm - I yell 'Watch It' at him, and he slows, which means that I am once again in front of the Prius driver, who starts to lay on the horn, expressing his displeasure at my existence.
He then passes again, again, very close, and starts rapidly weaving back and forth within the lane.

I moved to the left lane, and I make a left turn at the next intersection.

This took place on Southbound Bowers, in Santa Clara, CA, between Monroe and Cabrillo, on Jan 6 2012, at approximately 5:30pm.
Have you sent this video to the Police? That is a hit and run+ probably more. Even if they don't end up pressing charges at least the police show up and talk to them. Geez.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
If the OP wants to avoid what he considers "close" passes, perhaps he should move over in his own lane. Riding right up against the adjoining traffic lane and then demanding that everyone move over to give him the space he deems necessary is arrogant at best - and that arrogance is compounded by the complaints that the motorist is flaunting the law. It's akin to taking out a restraining order against someone, and then chasing him around and complaining that he's violating your space.
The right side of the bicycle lane is filled with gravel, glass, etc. That's why I was riding on the left side of it. Also, how am I arrogant by wanting motorists to give at least three feet and large vehicles 5 feet? It's a safety thing, and also a law here in Florida. The truck driver had plenty of room to see me and adjust, but yet he decided to pass me within 2 feet. There's no justifying that.

Originally Posted by Six jours
I wonder what the letter of complaint will look like. "Dear Sir or Madam: The other day I was riding with my elbow in a traffic lane, and the driver of your truck passed me in his own lane while obeying the speed limit. I demand to know how you plan on addressing this serious issue."
FYI, my elbow or any part of my bicycle was NOT inside the right traffic lane. Regarding the letter, I could cite the statue that explicitly states that you must give cyclists a minimum of three feet when overtaking them.

Originally Posted by Chris516
Your video is more appropriate than the OP's video, for the essence of troubling close passes. The OP was riding, not in the travel lane but on the shoulder. So I don't think the respective passing law could apply. In your video, the white car that passed really close, then quickly changed lanes back into the travel lane is the reason why I 'take the lane'. It was obvious the motorist was an aggressive driver. The SUV driver didn't bother me UNTIL he pulled that moronic move forcing you into oncoming traffic. They both should be cited.
It's a bike lane, not a shoulder. I don't follow your logic in saying that the law wouldn't apply.

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