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    Fatal "accident" in Amarillo, Tx

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    ...westbound 2008 Toyota Tundra driven by Ernest Gene Latta, 78, of Amarillo struck them from behind, the DPS said.
    I understand why the elderly don't want to give up their independence. Viable alternatives to a car lifestyle are sorely lacking, especially for the elderly.

    I have no idea if it applies to this accident, but it's obvious that a lot of older drivers are a serious hazard to themselves and others.

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    Paying attention is optional among motorists is this wacky bizarre world of the "civilized" US public.

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    That is one bad looking road surface.
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    What makes it so bad is the fact it is out in the middle of no where. ANYONE should have been able to see even a quarter laying on the road, let alone two cyclist.

    That old fart needs to spend the rest of his golden years in jail!!!!

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    We don't very often see a declaration like this:

    Bicyclists and motorcyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as motor vehicle drivers in the eyes of the law, Department of Public Safety Trooper Gabriel Medrano said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cranium View Post
    Paying attention is optional among motorists is this wacky bizarre world of the "civilized" US public.

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    you gotta be kidding me! We are talking about a person losing their life here and you are being flippant about it -- unbelieveable insensitivty -- I'll stop right there because you know what kind of person you come across as.
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    That Department of Public Safety Trooper makes an asinine statement. He is basically saying that riders need to ride as far right as possible. He is putting the onus on cyclists. Clearly, here the driver was entirely at fault, I hope he looses his license. Sun impaired? Please! Park the gas guzzler and deal with the impairment. Take a frickin' second to use your visor, sunglasses, bill of your baseball cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davehbuffalo View Post
    I understand why the elderly don't want to give up their independence. Viable alternatives to a car lifestyle are sorely lacking, especially for the elderly.

    I have no idea if it applies to this accident, but it's obvious that a lot of older drivers are a serious hazard to themselves and others.
    One of my family members has definitely become a hazard on the road. But the alternatives are only sorely lacking if the elderly individual lives outside the coverage area of a local public transportation infrastructure.

    They got the IPhone despite my objections. Then just the other day they mentioned that they were thinking of getting 'texting' added to the phone, just because a sibling has it. I can see where this is headed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    What makes it so bad is the fact it is out in the middle of no where. ANYONE should have been able to see even a quarter laying on the road, let alone two cyclist.

    That old fart needs to spend the rest of his golden years in jail!!!!
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark_energy View Post
    That Department of Public Safety Trooper makes an asinine statement. He is basically saying that riders need to ride as far right as possible. He is putting the onus on cyclists. Clearly, here the driver was entirely at fault, I hope he looses his license. Sun impaired? Please! Park the gas guzzler and deal with the impairment. Take a frickin' second to use your visor, sunglasses, bill of your baseball cap.
    The sun is the reason why, I get a highly rated bike helmet, that has a 'visor' on it, in conjunction with my Native cycling sunglasses.

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    A brief exerpt from a comment I made to the newpaper on the sun goes like this: "After I read this article, I made it a point to take a look at the location of the sun above the horizon at 4:10PM the next day. My personal opinion is that unless the windshield of the pick-up was extremely dirty, there is no way the sun could have been a factor in this "accident" with sunset being at approximately 5:48 that day. It looks more like simple inattention to the road which leads me to believe . . . " where I voiced my opinion about the incident under a similar username as I have here. I have ridden that same stretch of road a few times when I have to leave a vehicle in Amarillo for a few hours for service and take advantage of the time to go for a bike ride. I may think twice about that practice now.
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    A tragic incident, one can only hope that the elderly motorist willingly gives up driving, and not chalk this incident up as some foolish cyclists being in the road.

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    we are all one ride away from this- a teenager texting, and old man who cant see, a drunk driver ... I will continue to ride and take my chances but these things are never going to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruisintx View Post
    A brief exerpt from a comment I made to the newpaper on the sun goes like this: "After I read this article, I made it a point to take a look at the location of the sun above the horizon at 4:10PM the next day. My personal opinion is that unless the windshield of the pick-up was extremely dirty, there is no way the sun could have been a factor in this "accident" with sunset being at approximately 5:48 that day. It looks more like simple inattention to the road which leads me to believe . . . " where I voiced my opinion about the incident under a similar username as I have here. I have ridden that same stretch of road a few times when I have to leave a vehicle in Amarillo for a few hours for service and take advantage of the time to go for a bike ride. I may think twice about that practice now.
    I agree, the sun should have been high enough to not cause significant impairment. Assuming the driver is sincere, he was using that statement as an self-explanation of why he didn't see, but obviously ignoring a host of other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altamont View Post
    ...I will continue to ride and take my chances.....
    Rather leaving it up totally to chance, I will do all I can to increase my odds of not being hit by a motor vehicle, even if a number of the motoring population might consider my actions as "over the top".

    As in the case of a number of cyclists and among my personal thoughts while cycling, "I make a bad decision, I pay, if a motorist makes a bad decision, I pay."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altamont View Post
    we are all one ride away from this- a teenager texting, and old man who cant see, a drunk driver ... I will continue to ride and take my chances but these things are never going to stop.
    +1

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    Here is a Vid of the seen.

    Check out the one comment.

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    Yet another avoidable tragedy, yes by BOTH parties. 50/50. Yet another VC FAILURE.
    I am assuming that they were riding on the inside of the resurfaced part, in the middle of the lane. Sure the road is rough on both sides of that, but I don't see why they couldn't ride 5" left of the "shoulder" and move right for 5 seconds while the trucks go by. That shoulder is 7 feet wide at least. Where the question mark is, it looks not that much more unrideable. Certainly better than crossing a rumble strip. Did the cyclists take into account the sun's glare either ?? Doesn't look like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 View Post
    ....... BOTH parties. 50/50.
    Yet your rant goes on to chastise only the cyclists.

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    High speed roads, taking the lane?... yet another bad combination. (I really don't know where in the lane the cyclists were... )

    Do you suppose the cyclists were obeying the rules of the road?

    How about the motorist?

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    I don't have a satellite view of the frontage road, but many frontage road/freeway exit combinations in Texas are downright scary. You exit the highway and are popped immediately into two-way traffic. Factoring out the age of the driver (we presume the 78-yr-old is incapable automatically), the transitions from freeway to frontage roads in Texas can frequently be tough to negotiate. One split second of distraction by an oncoming car, or anything else, and tragedy results. Again, to repeat, I don't have a view of this location, but I wouldn't be very thrilled about riding on a Texas frontage road, at least not near any on/off ramps.

    Sad day for all....

    edit: Appears that they were not near an off ramp, and that road is crappy. I don't think I would want to share that road with high speed traffic (very little low speed traffic out in the panhandle outside of town...)
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    The picture in the news article at the scene of the accident is looking east toward Amarillo. That section of roadway is past the point where there are shoulders. It is a two-way access road and yes, there are some very rough stretches of pavement where one is tempted and probably uses the middle section of the lane to stay off the part on either side of the center because of recent chip-seal that will jar your bones on a road bike. I've had water bottles bounce out of their cages on some of these parts of this exact road. Moving 5" off the "shoulder" (there is no shoulder) is not an option here unless you are willing to take a skinny tire road bike into the dirt, rocks, glass, goatheads and who knows what else.

    As for the sun's glare; this happened an hour and a half before sundown and should not even be considered a legitimate factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dark_energy View Post
    That Department of Public Safety Trooper makes an asinine statement. He is basically saying that riders need to ride as far right as possible. He is putting the onus on cyclists. Clearly, here the driver was entirely at fault, I hope he looses his license. Sun impaired? Please! Park the gas guzzler and deal with the impairment. Take a frickin' second to use your visor, sunglasses, bill of your baseball cap.
    it would have been a cowboy hat. they ARE in Texas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    One of my family members has definitely become a hazard on the road. But the alternatives are only sorely lacking if the elderly individual lives outside the coverage area of a local public transportation infrastructure.

    They got the IPhone despite my objections. Then just the other day they mentioned that they were thinking of getting 'texting' added to the phone, just because a sibling has it. I can see where this is headed.
    Chris, in every state I've ever lived in, there is a procedure for family members to request that the DMV retest an impaired relative's driving ability. If you're aware of the problem and choose not to act, then the blame for anyone he hurts is partly yours.

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