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Old 12-14-04, 03:49 PM   #1
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Bicyclist hit, killed on I-10; callers report 'animal carcass' on highway

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Officials are investigating a fatal hit-and-run accident involving an apparent bicyclist on Interstate 10 just north of Marana.

"In my 30 years of law enforcement this is probably the worst scene I've ever seen," said DPS Sgt. Gary Durree.

The Department of Public Safety began receiving phone calls just after 6:00 p.m. from motorists describing an animal carcass in the middle of the westbound lanes.

When officers arrived they realized the parts on the interstate were that of a human.

DPS shut down all westbound lanes for an 11-mile stretch between Marana and Red Rock. Traffic was detoured while DPS completed their investigation.

The victim is described as a white male with a tattoo of a black spider on his right shoulder.

Not one motorist pulled to the side of the interstate to inform DPS of what they saw.

Investigators did find various parts of vehicles in the area as well as the bicycle the victim was apparently riding at the time of the accident.

If you have any information about this incident you're asked to call the Department of Public Safety at (520)

Unreal. That is all I have to say
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Second version of the story

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=2688422
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Old 12-14-04, 03:55 PM   #3
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that's disgusting! i read both stories and they say he was hit by several cars, one apparently dumped the bike at the next exit, but no one stopped?!? what the hell? and why was the guy on I-10 anyway? this is a sick story.
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uuugggh, i feel ill just reading that, poor bastard, but wow, I-10, isn't that a dangerous place to ride ?
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I am not from the area but I just looked at it from Street Atlas 8.0. Unless they are wrong, it appears a good frontage roads on both sides of the interstate. Arizona also allow bicycles on interstates except in metro areas I believe.
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that's disgusting! i read both stories and they say he was hit by several cars, one apparently dumped the bike at the next exit, but no one stopped?!? what the hell? and why was the guy on I-10 anyway? this is a sick story.
Let's see now on an Interstate Highway at night wearing "black jeans, a black Harley-Davidson T-shirt with "Sturgis" written on the back and a blue poncho.". As much as the bastards that hit him need to come forward and fess up he didn't exactly make himself highly visible nor was he riding in a place where anyone with common sense would ride. I'm also guessing that due to the fact that it's been years since the Clint Eastwood Poncho look died off that the weather may have played a small role in all of this.
I still say whoever hit him and ran is a worthless piece of ********
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As pointed out its legal to ride on highways in Arizona outside of metro areas.

I'm not sure about the area in question, but most non-metro highways, have a wide shoulder, with a rumble strip between the main road and the shoulder. A cyclist riding in the middle of the shoulder should me safe from road debris, attentive motorists and the rumble strip.
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I've driven this road a bunch of times and know the Marana area a bit. But not enough to remember what I-10 is like in this area (like shoulder conditions).

A few points:
-6pm is already quite dark
-Victim was wearing black and dark colors
-No indication if lights were used
-Phoenix to/from Tuscon rush hour traffic on I-10 is either dense, slow and agressive or fast and agressive and feels very dangous even in a car. It is a very stressful drive on weekday early evenings.
-Legal or not this is not a place or time I would ride
-Even if shoulders are good, every time one passes an exit ramp would be very hazardous at this time of day (never a break in traffic)

All the facts are not in and likely this is a very sad incident of someone just not being aware of hazards and needing to get around on a bike due to their circumstances.

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[color=blue]the weather may have played a small role in all of this.[color]
I estimate that weather was clear and probably about 65deg. But I wouldn't be surprised if poncho was for some warmth.

It was dark - see my other post on this.

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I've driven this road a bunch of times and know the Marana area a bit. But not enough to remember what I-10 is like in this area (like shoulder conditions).

A few points:
-6pm is already quite dark
-Victim was wearing black and dark colors
-No indication if lights were used
-Phoenix to/from Tuscon rush hour traffic on I-10 is either dense, slow and agressive or fast and agressive and feels very dangous even in a car. It is a very stressful drive on weekday early evenings.
-Legal or not this is not a place or time I would ride
-Even if shoulders are good, every time one passes an exit ramp would be very hazardous at this time of day (never a break in traffic)
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I live about ten miles south of where this occured. Last night it was warm and dark about when this happened, when I say warm I would guess about 70 because it was a very warm day. So no explanation for the poncho. That section of interstate has a very wide shoulder at least 10 feet wide and . Why he was riding there no one knows. But I sure want to know why no motorist pulled over!
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Let's see now on an Interstate Highway at night wearing "black jeans, a black Harley-Davidson T-shirt with "Sturgis" written on the back and a blue poncho.". As much as the bastards that hit him need to come forward and fess up he didn't exactly make himself highly visible nor was he riding in a place where anyone with common sense would ride. I'm also guessing that due to the fact that it's been years since the Clint Eastwood Poncho look died off that the weather may have played a small role in all of this.
I still say whoever hit him and ran is a worthless piece of ********
Agreed.

He probably wasn't the most intelligent cyclist considering he was on a Huffy. I find the majority of Huffy riders tend to be careless or unprofessional in their riding skills. Still. He did not deserve to get killed considering there was a wide shoulder.
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I live about ten miles south of where this occured. Last night it was warm and dark about when this happened, when I say warm I would guess about 70 because it was a very warm day. So no explanation for the poncho. That section of interstate has a very wide shoulder at least 10 feet wide and . Why he was riding there no one knows. But I sure want to know why no motorist pulled over!
But we don't know if he was riding on the shoulder. Sometimes folks cross freeways as well as it can be quite a detour to get between crossing points. I also estimated it as 65deg, your right maybe even 70 - the weather has been quite warm lately, but if you are out for the evening on a bike doing a slow ride a poncho would not be unreasonable, it does cool off quick after sunset.

In any case, lights, poncho, whatever, if someone hits someone or anything that substantial (even giving them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't know what it was) you would think they would stop and try and figure it out. Also even if this person had no lights on their bike a car/truck with headlights on should have seen them and at least known it was a person/cyclist, even if it was too late to stop

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Agreed.

He probably wasn't the most intelligent cyclist considering he was on a Huffy. I find the majority of Huffy riders tend to be careless or unprofessional in their riding skills. Still. He did not deserve to get killed considering there was a wide shoulder.
Where did that logic come from??? I know plenty of riders on expensive road bikes that are class 1 A-holes. Let's not become segregated based on name brands?
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He probably wasn't the most intelligent cyclist considering he was on a Huffy. I find the majority of Huffy riders tend to be careless or unprofessional in their riding skills.
Yeah, he should have gotten himself the full carbon Highhorse 9000 with full DuraAce.
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Yeah, he should have gotten himself the full carbon Highhorse 9000 with full DuraAce.
Yea, I hear they come with airbags....
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Windbags. They come with windbags.
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Do not pass judgement on some one until you know all the facts. Even then, there is always some other side of their story, factor or angle to look at.

Come people, judging him because he rides a Huffy is not fair and most of all disrespectful at this time. Wether by their own design or someone else's simply put a human being died.

If you want to judge the rider then fine the facts based on what we have read state he was wearing dark clothing on a dark highway at a busy time of night. I think we can all safely agree that this is not safe.

Aside from those points, that is all we really know. We were not there, we did not see the accident happen. There are a number of other factors which could have contributed.

DUI - motorist or yep even the cyclist??? Where was he riding when he got hit?, Followed by, was he trying to cross the highway? Why didn't the first motorist to hit him stop? Could they, did they see him? Was it deliberate (scary thought)?

These questions are hypothetically speaking of course. There are a number of scenarios that could have played out based on those questions alone.

None of the above answers to those questions excuse the behaviour of the motorist who initially hit him and then fled the scene.
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Come people, judging him because he rides a Huffy is not fair and most of all disrespectful at this time. Wether by their own design or someone else's simply put a human being died.
Alright.. I retract the statement above.

It's unfortunate that surburban developement consist of riding on the high speed interstate to get anywhere. Those of us living in cities that are cycle friendly take it for granted maximum posted speed limts of 25 mph.

I cannot understand why people would want to live in this bicycle hostile environment? When you are poor like this victim, moving to another town, city or state would be quite easy. A bus ticket and a suite case is all that's needed.
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When you are poor like this victim, moving to another town, city or state would be quite easy. A bus ticket and a suite case is all that's needed.
I think you just made another statement you may want to retract soon.

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If you want to judge the rider then fine the facts based on what we have read state he was wearing dark clothing on a dark highway at a busy time of night. I think we can all safely agree that this is not safe.

That's the only thing I was saying.
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When you are poor like this victim, moving to another town, city or state would be quite easy. A bus ticket and a suite case is all that's needed.
Should he buy another Huffy when he gets to where he's going? Let's see, he'll probably need a place to live, that takes cash for security deposits and so on. I'll bet he had a job of some kind. He'd need another. A person usually needs an address to be considered for even the most menial job.

Wow. I'm going to assume you didn't think this line out all the way. I'm going to guess you've never been truly broke, or you never would have pulled a B.S. statement like that out of your nether region.

Wow.
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I cannot understand why people would want to live in this bicycle hostile environment? When you are poor like this victim, moving to another town, city or state would be quite easy. A bus ticket and a suite case is all that's needed.
You are really out of touch. I think Bush has some openings in his cabinet. You should fit right in.
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You are really out of touch. I think Bush has some openings in his cabinet. You should fit right in.
Good one...

Folks... I don't believe the victim riding the Huffy was doomed to live in that cycle hostile city the rest of his life. People really think moving out of the burbs is impossible but I find it's much easier when you have little or nothing. I've met loads of people who moved thousands of miles away with nothing but what they hand on their backs. There are many governement agencies in every city out there that would have helped him. It's not impossible.
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We shouldn't judge the cyclist based on the brand of bicycle.

It also isn't wise to arbitrarily judge the motorists for not stopping when they hit something. I drive a lot of interstates, and do NOT think it is safe to stop on the shoulder unless absolutely necessary. I hear many stories of cars stopped on the shoulder resulting in accidents and/or death. And with the number of deer carcasses in the Mid-Atlantic area, I would assume I hit a deer and probably keep going. I'm not even sure I would call and report it, so kudos to those drivers that did report "something".

And, yes, this story is very sad.
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