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Old 12-18-04, 12:21 AM   #1
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Why did they make the right side bike lane so skinny ? Its so dangerous in my opinion

Why couldn't they make it as wide as the interstate side lane or at least half of that? I would feel so much safer like that.
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Old 12-18-04, 12:41 AM   #2
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im just glad they have one. we dont have any where i live.. but i think it has to do with how much property is owned by the city and how much of it is privately owned by the people. plus a bike doesnt take up that much space.. so you dont need a lane thats the size of a regular car lane.. i think a regular car lane can fit about 5 cyclist side by side..
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Thats a little to close for confort 5 bikes in one car lane. If one goes to the left or right just a little it would be bad. Its sometimes hard to stay in a straight line. I know it was just a example though. Though the point is thats why I hate the bike lanes being so skinny. If you don't go in a exactly straight line you have no room if you go the left or right any. I have mainly a problem of going to the right a lot because I am scared of the buses, huge trucks, hummers, etc because there so much wider than a normal car and take up the whole entire lane in my opinion. Even the bike lane. If they don't they come very close. To close for me to feel ok. Cars scare me as well because some of them come close as well but the hummers, trucks, buses, etc have no chose when cars or other trucks, buses, hummers, etc are in the other lane.

I usually end up ridding the cumb almost sense I go the right sometimes. The bad thing about that is the curb makes me loose control but whenever it does that I make sure to go all the way to the right over the curb onto the grass area or very close to the sidewalk to be safe. If I went left that would be very dangerous in my opinion. I am not sure if I am right on this but if I am not please say so.

Even a branch, rock, or anything. Even a small brand, rock, etc you can't stop avoiding and it makes me go out of control but I make sure it makes me go to the right as much as possible so I don't end up going left straight into a car thats passing. I can't just go to the right to avoid the rock, branch, etc because then I will be all the way ridding on the curb or in the grass and will be scared to go back onto the bike lane without a car hitting me from behind because they thought I was moving toward the right onto the curb or grass and straying in that area going directly straight. They may not think I was trying to avoid a rock, branch, etc.
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Btw what do you do when they don't even have a bike lane? Thats even more scary.
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just ride close to the curb. ride close enough where you're out of traffics way (trust me, they have a lot of room to pass you with, assuming they keep to the left. unless it has no shoulder what so ever, then tahts a different story... and i guess you'll just have to hold up traffic, i dunno.. havent encountered anything like that yet, so i cant help you) and you want to ride far enough out of the curb so you're not in the ditch or whatevers. and you need to be more confident about your riding skills, because its your cowardness (sorry for the lack of a better word) thats going to get your hurt.
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just ride close to the curb. ride close enough where you're out of traffics way (trust me, they have a lot of room to pass you with, assuming they keep to the left. unless it has no shoulder what so ever, then tahts a different story... and i guess you'll just have to hold up traffic, i dunno.. havent encountered anything like that yet, so i cant help you) and you want to ride far enough out of the curb so you're not in the ditch or whatevers. and you need to be more confident about your riding skills, because its your cowardness (sorry for the lack of a better word) thats going to get your hurt.
I agree with you and thats ok. Use whatever words you need. I rather hear the truth! No matter what it is.

So your saying I should ride far enough to the left of the bike lane that when I go in a straight line I don't run over the street drains with my tires? If so thats pretty far out but I understand why.

What about when your pulling a two wheel trailer as well ?

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Old 12-18-04, 01:31 AM   #7
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same thing. theres a book out there you should read.. someone here recommended it.. its called Effective Cycling (i think) by someone i forgot.. but supposedly its really good and it made a lot of people here better cyclists / commuters
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Old 12-18-04, 03:34 AM   #9
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I can't believe this.

A driver hit a woman cyclist towing a trailer. The driver killed the 2 15 month old twins, a 4 year old boy,
and severely injured the mother. Thats crazy and insane. I can't believe it. I am not saying who fault it is because I don't know all the facts but still its crazy. How could someone do that to kids if they saw it before driving pass it? Remember I am not blaming anyone because I don't know all the fact but to me it was the car's fault. Even if they didn't have any lights or bright color clothing. They should of still seen it in my opinion. If I am wrong please correct me.



Then there is this:

A person in a touring group pulling a "bugger" when he was
knocked off a road by a passing truck. The problem wasn't that the trucker
didn't see the cyclist or the trailer, but that he didn't allow enough room
while passing.

My god.

Thank god of my habits of being paronaid so much. I am still in shock. The trucker saw the person but still didn't give them enough room while passing. Oh my god.

This just makes me sick.

If I am wrong please correct me.

I don't feel to good right now.


Goes to pray that all bike lanes grow to be double the length they are now.
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Better yet prays that bike lanes are seperated from streets totally. Far away from any cars, trucks, hummers, SUVs, etc.

Maybe like on the other side of the sidewalk away from the street.



I just can't see taking up a whole street lane to feel safe and then having cars, SUVs, trucks, hummers honking at you constantly or worst one of them run you over. That could easily happen I am sure. I know most people aren't like that but still.
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Better yet prays that bike lanes are seperated from streets totally. Far away from any cars, trucks, hummers, SUVs, etc.

Maybe like on the other side of the sidewalk away from the street.



I just can't see taking up a whole street lane to feel safe and then having cars, SUVs, trucks, hummers honking at you constantly or worst one of them run you over. That could easily happen I am sure. I know most people aren't like that but still.
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I don't think bike lanes on roadways make your bike ride any safer. I have always opposed bike lanes. You are a vehicle utilizing the highway with other vehicles obeying the same laws without any unprotective barriers like a painted white line. Even bike paths that cross streets and highways are dangerous, more so to children.
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Robert Gardner yes but what about when you are going slower than the cars ? They will honk behind you because your have a whole line of cars backed up behind you trying to go.
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I don't think bike lanes on roadways make your bike ride any safer. I have always opposed bike lanes. You are a vehicle utilizing the highway with other vehicles obeying the same laws without any unprotective barriers like a painted white line. Even bike paths that cross streets and highways are dangerous, more so to children.
I agree bike lanes are the first steps of getting us off the road. If we all road in bike lanes thats when cagers would say BIKES DON'T BELONG ON THE ROAD.
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Old 12-18-04, 06:10 AM   #15
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Robert Gardner yes but what about when you are going slower than the cars ? They will honk behind you because your have a whole line of cars backed up behind you trying to go.
So? They do it to slow drivers as well. Besides, I don't think I've ever had that and I ride on roads without bike lanes that are heavily travelled.

Jeffery, it sounds to me more that you're a bit nervous travelling in traffic. You might want to check around your city to see if they off courses on how best to bike in traffic. I took one and it improved my confidence greatly. Additionally, I ride a MTB for a community bike. I don't worry about drains because the wheelbase is fat enough. Might want to consider that (makes it a bit slower but it's a better challenge IMO).

Also, if you have to swerve out past the drains or whatever and you've followed the necessary rules (hand signals, shoulder checking, etc.), too bad for the dude behind you. He has to respect and follow those same rules. He has to slow down.

Perhaps it's not a bad thing in our overly fast paced society.
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MsMittens true. I think I still would be scared though What about when ridding with a two wheel trailer? Any different rules?

I may just say heck with it and follow all the rules like cars but take up a whole lane when need be and take up a little more than the small bike lane to be safe so I can go to the right if need be. If I die then I die. I mean what can you do you know? Stuff happens. At least if I do have to go like this I will be going happy! Its not like I care. I care about following the rules though.
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You know, by taking up part of a lane they do see you. And it's no different with a two-wheel trailer. Remember, rules of the road applies to you as a vehicle that is part of the traffic flow. The only caveat is usually those vehicles that are slower than the rest of traffic should ride as close to the curb as is *SAFELY* possible. If that means taking up a lane because of glass on the road, the driver of the car behind you can whine all he wants and honk all he wants, you are following the rules. Try not to be intimated by them.

One of the keys is to make yourself visible. Wear bright colours (like those orange workman vests), have flags, lights (blinking and non-blinking), etc. If you follow the rules of the road, then the chance of something happening is slim.

In the 10 or so years that I've been commuting (via bike paths, bike lanes and high traffic non-bike lane roads) I haven't had an accident. And most people driving are either indifferent or at least somewhat respectful (which is rather impressive in Toronto).
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Thanks. I have never really done this before so its going to be very scary my first time doing this. I am reading everything I can get my hands on beforehand though.
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What's a bike lane?

I don't think they exist in Texas, except maybe in Austin - which doesn't really count.
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If you make a bike lane too wide, drivers will use it to queue jump traffic. Tucson built a real nice and wide bike lane + textured traffic traffic buffer down one of the roads here. Problem is, it's wide enough to fit a car and impatient drivers will use it to pass other cars stopped in traffic. And drivers lame enough to drive in a bike lane usually don't bother check to see if its clear before zooming into the lane.
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Why couldn't they make it as wide as the interstate side lane or at least half of that? I would feel so much safer like that.
anyone who says "THEY" is a follower!!!!!!

Who is "THEY"? The local gov't?
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I live in a state that has virtually zero paved shoulders or marked bike paths (except Myrtle Beach & Hilton Head, but that doesn't count ) . You are probably talking about a two foot bike lane. That is better than none. But to make them a four foot lane or eight foot line would cost DOT's millions of dollars per mile. (moving drainage lines, right of ways, curbs etc) Or what I seen them do in Gainesville Florida, was to make a four foot bike line by making the street lane two feet shorter.
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I live in a state that has virtually zero paved shoulders or marked bike paths (except Myrtle Beach & Hilton Head, but that doesn't count ) . You are probably talking about a two foot bike lane. That is better than none. But to make them a four foot lane or eight foot line would cost DOT's millions of dollars per mile. (moving drainage lines, right of ways, curbs etc) Or what I seen them do in Gainesville Florida, was to make a four foot bike line by making the street lane two feet shorter.
What about the big trucks, hummers, etc with that two feet shorter lane?
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Why couldn't they make it as wide as the interstate side lane or at least half of that? I would feel so much safer like that.
I agree.

In New York City, we have a bike path on the West side and in certain areas they could have expanded the path as wide as an interstate lane but it's the same size ALL the way. I guess builders have a rule book that states all cyclists' need are 8 feet of bike lane and anything more is excessive.
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