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    Sadly another cyclist killed on Rickenbacker Causeway

    Only 2 years ago another cyclist was killed by a hit-and-run driver on Rickenbacker Causeway and it has happened again. RIP Aaron Cohen and condolences to his family and friends.

    The Miami Herald article:
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/1...kenbacker.html

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    It seems like whenever a hit-and-run killer is caught, he/she is driving on a suspended license. Yeah, this could just be confirmation bias, but it sure seems to happen a lot. Then again, it doesn't take much of this sort of thing to feel like there is a lot of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    It seems like whenever a hit-and-run killer is caught, he/she is driving on a suspended license. Yeah, this could just be confirmation bias, but it sure seems to happen a lot. Then again, it doesn't take much of this sort of thing to feel like there is a lot of it.
    There is a lot of it. Being able to look up a record tied to a license plate in Hawaii has proved interesting. Of the motorist that intentionally do BS, a large number of them have had their license suspended at one time or another. Most all have speeding tickets for extreme speeds.

    The guy I looked up the other day had a revoked license, speeding tickets, DUI, and convictions for forged registration, safety inspection and insurance card. Truly a guy that should have been in jail rather than out harassing a cyclist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    It seems like whenever a hit-and-run killer is caught, he/she is driving on a suspended license. Yeah, this could just be confirmation bias, but it sure seems to happen a lot. Then again, it doesn't take much of this sort of thing to feel like there is a lot of it.
    Agreed, and the irony is that motorists seem to think that cycling is "dangerous." Hmm, if they paid anywhere near the attention on their driving that they're suppose to then cycling wouldn't be so "dangerous." But sadly given that in in this country cycling is seen as some sort of "fringe" activity it's little wonder that hitting a cyclist and fleeing is done without thinking twice about it.

    And as I've asked before, why does it take something like the stunt that the "good" doctor out in L.A. did for it to be noticed? Why hasn't Christophe's killer been brought to trial yet? Why is it that so many times even when the motorist is clearly at fault no charges are ever filed against them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    There is a lot of it. Being able to look up a record tied to a license plate in Hawaii has proved interesting. Of the motorist that intentionally do BS, a large number of them have had their license suspended at one time or another. Most all have speeding tickets for extreme speeds.

    The guy I looked up the other day had a revoked license, speeding tickets, DUI, and convictions for forged registration, safety inspection and insurance card. Truly a guy that should have been in jail rather than out harassing a cyclist.
    With a record like that, why can't their car be taken, or at least have one of those Jersey wheel locks put on it? Of course no doubt the excuse is, "it's my wife's car" or "someone loaned it to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    With a record like that, why can't their car be taken, or at least have one of those Jersey wheel locks put on it? Of course no doubt the excuse is, "it's my wife's car" or "someone loaned it to me."


    That's shouldn't be accepted as an "excuse" for why they're driving when they shouldn't be. Someone with that type of record should have whatever car that they're driving seized.
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    When's the last time any of us contacted our State-level representative or senator, advocating tougher negligent driver or unprotected motorist legislation...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post

    That's shouldn't be accepted as an "excuse" for why they're driving when they shouldn't be. Someone with that type of record should have whatever car that they're driving seized.
    You know, that's a good point... that would keep others from loaning said scofflaw a car. Then make it such that the legit owner of the car can retrieve the car, provided they pay a hefty fine, and can prove the car is current and that they are the owner. The hefty fine can be used to help the system ensure that those with suspended/removed licenses are properly "processed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARider2 View Post
    Only 2 years ago another cyclist was killed by a hit-and-run driver on Rickenbacker Causeway and it has happened again. RIP Aaron Cohen and condolences to his family and friends.

    The Miami Herald article:
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/1...kenbacker.html
    Michele Traverso (Guy who just killed the cyclist) even lives in the same building as Carlos Bertonatti, the one who killed the cyclist 2 years ago. Bertonatti hasn't gone to trial yet, but his court date is set for March 19th. Hopefully this new murder leaves it fresh in the minds of everyone what type of a monster Bertonatti is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    When's the last time any of us contacted our State-level representative or senator, advocating tougher negligent driver or unprotected motorist legislation...?
    Last summer, in person at a gym that both my wife and my state representative go to. She is slowly coming around to the notion that we need to do something about the violent/sociopathic fraction of one percent of motorists who enjoy terrorizing others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARider2 View Post
    Only 2 years ago another cyclist was killed by a hit-and-run driver on Rickenbacker Causeway and it has happened again. RIP Aaron Cohen and condolences to his family and friends.

    The Miami Herald article:
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/1...kenbacker.html
    I looked at a picture of the Rickenbacker Causeway Bridge. I am not denying that the two cyclists' were killed. But in the picturehttp://www.key-biscayne.com/kb/pod/31804.shtml, it shows a concrete barrier(unless the picture is very old), between vehicle and pedestrian traffic. How are vehicular traffic getting over a concrete barrier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    You know, that's a good point... that would keep others from loaning said scofflaw a car. Then make it such that the legit owner of the car can retrieve the car, provided they pay a hefty fine, and can prove the car is current and that they are the owner. The hefty fine can be used to help the system ensure that those with suspended/removed licenses are properly "processed."
    Agreed, they should also be charged hefty storage fees, and if they can't afford to pay either or both have their car sold at auction. From which they and their family are barred from participating in. And the proceeds from the sale of their car goes into that same system.

    The fine and storage fees, and proceeds from auction could also be used to revamp the drivers education system here in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaniel View Post
    Michele Traverso (Guy who just killed the cyclist) even lives in the same building as Carlos Bertonatti, the one who killed the cyclist 2 years ago. Bertonatti hasn't gone to trial yet, but his court date is set for March 19th. Hopefully this new murder leaves it fresh in the minds of everyone what type of a monster Bertonatti is.
    Thank you, I thought that that address sounded familiar. As you said hopefully this case will put Bertonatti's case back into the forefront of everyone in Miami's minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    When's the last time any of us contacted our State-level representative or senator, advocating tougher negligent driver or unprotected motorist legislation...?
    Personally, I don't have to -- I have a state senator who's ahead of the game on this. Trouble is, he's one guy VS. an entire legislature who don't want to rock the boat, even when it comes to abuse of personal freedoms. He's advocated smoking bans in public buildings (watered down in committee), stricter penalties for DUI AND lower BAC for DUI (half successful, part 2), severe restriction of cell phone use while driving (watered down to 'no texting', but can surf the www, WTF?).

    Too many representatives won't take the hard step necessary to corral a-holes' activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    Last summer, in person at a gym that both my wife and my state representative go to. She is slowly coming around to the notion that we need to do something about the violent/sociopathic fraction of one percent of motorists who enjoy terrorizing others.
    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    Personally, I don't have to -- I have a state senator who's ahead of the game on this. Trouble is, he's one guy VS. an entire legislature who don't want to rock the boat, even when it comes to abuse of personal freedoms. He's advocated smoking bans in public buildings (watered down in committee), stricter penalties for DUI AND lower BAC for DUI (half successful, part 2), severe restriction of cell phone use while driving (watered down to 'no texting', but can surf the www, WTF?).

    Too many representatives won't take the hard step necessary to corral a-holes' activities.
    Great tactic to further tougher negligent driving or unprotected motorist bills is to name them after a victim. In this particular case, it would be "Aaron's Law."

    Great to hear that there are others advocating things like this at the State level, because this is where we have a chance at getting the best traction.

    DX -- part of the issue is the piecemeal way we're currently going about this. Attaching stricter penalties to specific issues like DUI and cell phones really doesn't address the biggest issue: people being harmed by negligent drivers. DUI driving and cell phone use while driving is certainly negligent, but what happens when an "accident" goes down, cyclist dies, and the driver stops, is clean, wasn't on phone? Nothing--ticket/slap on the wrist, no jail time, no suspension of license. Attacking individual issues is detrimental to safer driving as a whole. Since you've got this Senator's ear, maybe suggest a different approach...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    When's the last time any of us contacted our State-level representative or senator, advocating tougher negligent driver or unprotected motorist legislation...?

    Not since after our governor voted down our 3 foot passing law, and our state's decision to no longer impound unlicensed motorists' vehicles (the one case being made was that unlicensed illegal immigrants were unable to afford getting their vehicles back).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Not since after our governor voted down our 3 foot passing law, and our state's decision to no longer impound unlicensed motorists' vehicles (the one case being made was that unlicensed illegal immigrants were unable to afford getting their vehicles back).
    That's reason to stop trying...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    That's reason to stop trying...?
    Didn't stop, just putting my energy elsewhere for the time being.

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    First & foremost, this falls on the motorist. Not much more I could add to what the police are going to do to the guy. What can we as cyclists take forward as lessons learned. Well for starters, riding a bike somewhere between 5:15-5:45 AM anywhere is going to be dangerous, it's well over an hour before the 7:00 AM sunrise. Ride planning has to account for poorer night visibility. Ride planning has got to factor in when the drunk drivers or habitual offenders are on the road atypically. I was contacted to ride the memorial ride earlier today. I chose not to ride, the mass ride is only going to polarize the situation with unnecessary traffic. Hope nothing escalated and got nasty with those who did ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuji86 View Post
    Well for starters, riding a bike somewhere between 5:15-5:45 AM anywhere is going to be dangerous, ...
    I completely disagree with this statement. That is the time of morning that I ride to work. There is much less traffic on the road that early, and a cyclist running lights and reflective gear stands out much better in the dark than during daylight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
    I completely disagree with this statement. That is the time of morning that I ride to work. There is much less traffic on the road that early, and a cyclist running lights and reflective gear stands out much better in the dark than during daylight.
    Completely ? While I do agree less traffic, Miami is an all night bar city, your chances of meeting up with a drunk at that hour that has been sleep deprived and up all night is greater. Obviously in the Bertonatti case that's exactly what happened and until more information is available on this the best anyone can do is speculate. Not sure your city, but having lived in Miami, FL for 15 years riding in the dark with bike lights is dangerous period. I know I'd never ride at 5:15 - 5:45 AM during DST or Standard time for exactly the reasons I've posted. Heck in NMB, I have neighbors that ride into the parking lot at that and earlier hours with their speakers blaring music. They'll sit in their car with the noise going off too with total disregard that the rest of us need another hour or two of sleep before we go to work, I can only speculate where they've been or what they've been doing all night long ? And even if that isn't the case of the all night partier, there's always the possibility that someone got up at 4 or so and is still half asleep when they get on the road. All it takes is one or a few and then you have a news story about a tragedy like this. I agree that bike lights should be seen better, but again if the motorist has lousy night vision it may not matter.

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    Memorial Ride:

    http://www.themiamibikescene.com/201...-memorial.html
    http://www.local10.com/news/Cyclists...z/-/index.html
    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/02/18...allen-cyclist/

    A head scratcher to me, the bike lane is more than adequate, the motorist passed the drug test he voluntarily submitted to, and it's not a dui. The only other explanations I can come up with cell phone/texting or whatever else that would distract the motorist, perhaps the cyclists were crowding the line FLAP rather than being centered or FRAP ? Going further, the motorist may have simply taken that lane thinking it was a driving lane for smaller cars ? Just me, but the bike lane to the side, that looks to be the equivalent of an emergency lane, especially in light that there is also a jogging and riding path that runs alongside of the roadway. Would be interesting to know what the motorists express perception and interpretation of the area is. To an extent, I'm even relatively confused without seeing any signage or the tell tale bike lane paint markings in the lane ? That said, riding at night/in the dark, I still don't think I'm in the emergency lane area. Guess I'd have to be in broad daylight, sunrise to sunset, to be in that lane. Here's a similar roadway that I've ridden, I195, the Julia Tuttle.

    At any rate it was a good turnout for the memorial ride. Couldn't get over being impressed with the mass riding footage, the sheer number of cyclists, riding Tour de Key Biscayne style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuji86 View Post
    Completely ?
    Completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by fuji86 View Post
    While I do agree less traffic, Miami is an all night bar city, your chances of meeting up with a drunk at that hour that has been sleep deprived and up all night is greater. Obviously in the Bertonatti case that's exactly what happened and until more information is available on this the best anyone can do is speculate.
    Well, that is certainly what you have done. But the best anyone can do is wait until more facts come in. Such as contained in the news stories provided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuji86 View Post
    Memorial Ride:

    http://www.themiamibikescene.com/201...-memorial.html
    http://www.local10.com/news/Cyclists...z/-/index.html
    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/02/18...allen-cyclist/

    A head scratcher to me, the bike lane is more than adequate, the motorist passed the drug test he voluntarily submitted to, and it's not a dui. The only other explanations I can come up with cell phone/texting or whatever else that would distract the motorist, perhaps the cyclists were crowding the line FLAP rather than being centered or FRAP ? Going further, the motorist may have simply taken that lane thinking it was a driving lane for smaller cars ? Just me, but the bike lane to the side, that looks to be the equivalent of an emergency lane, especially in light that there is also a jogging and riding path that runs alongside of the roadway. Would be interesting to know what the motorists express perception and interpretation of the area is. To an extent, I'm even relatively confused without seeing any signage or the tell tale bike lane paint markings in the lane ? That said, riding at night/in the dark, I still don't think I'm in the emergency lane area. Guess I'd have to be in broad daylight, sunrise to sunset, to be in that lane. Here's a similar roadway that I've ridden, I195, the Julia Tuttle.

    At any rate it was a good turnout for the memorial ride. Couldn't get over being impressed with the mass riding footage, the sheer number of cyclists, riding Tour de Key Biscayne style.

    Traverso is a Key Biscayne resident. He knows that is a bike lane because he drives by it every day. He passed a sobriety test because he submitted to it nearly 24 hours after the incident.

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    Cycling is not dangerous. Reckless drivers, who choose to ignore laws, are dangerous. State and local authorities should work harder to improve road safety.
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