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Old 01-04-05, 07:26 PM   #1
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ever read Energy and Equity?

Has anyone read Energy and Equity by Ivan Illich? Dirt Rag did a brief write up on it in issue 99. It deals with the real cost of a car, both in terms of time and money. It's out of print now, so it can be tough to find. I bought a copy from half.com today and I'm looking forward to reading it. If anyone has read it, what did you think?
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Old 01-04-05, 08:32 PM   #2
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Has anyone read Energy and Equity by Ivan Illich? Dirt Rag did a brief write up on it in issue 99. It deals with the real cost of a car, both in terms of time and money. It's out of print now, so it can be tough to find. I bought a copy from half.com today and I'm looking forward to reading it. If anyone has read it, what did you think?
How much did you pay?

I just found this link. Is this was you bought? Go the link below the abstract for full text
http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illi...gy_and_equity/



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Old 01-04-05, 09:02 PM   #3
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I saw that link too. It was about $11 shipped (when it was in print it listed at $10). I can read out of a book easier than on a computer screen or printouts, so it's worth the money to me.
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Old 01-08-05, 01:33 PM   #4
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I'd have to agree almost totally. I agree with a lot of the points that he brings up. When I'm at school I travel exclusively by bike and train and I save so much money and time and I don't feel that "traffic lag" that plagues commuters everywhere. Massachusetts has a pretty good transit system for the Boston area. What do other people do for travel.
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Has anyone read Energy and Equity by Ivan Illich? Dirt Rag did a brief write up on it in issue 99. It deals with the real cost of a car, both in terms of time and money. It's out of print now, so it can be tough to find. I bought a copy from half.com today and I'm looking forward to reading it. If anyone has read it, what did you think?
I think everyone knows we are paying a tremendous price for this hyper-mobile society we live in today. The question of course is not how but when this house of cards will fall.
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I live near downtown and work right out on the edge, so when I commute by car I am going in the opposite direction to the rush traffic - fast ride but boring. Public transit is slower than biking, because it involves 3 changes, with about 10 minutes wait at each change. Cycling takes twice as long as the car but it isnt time wasted - it is all quality recreation time.
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www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illich/texts/energy_and_equity/energy_and_equity.html

-- I celebrate that Illich's work is published free to the public on the internet. THANK YOU PhattTyre for bringing this to our attention.
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I didn't end up getting the book from Half.com. They didn't have any left. I think I'll just suck it up and read it online or print it out at school for free. It's a book I'd like to actually own, but I'll take what I can get.
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I think everyone knows we are paying a tremendous price for this hyper-mobile society we live in today. The question of course is not how but when this house of cards will fall.
It's just a shame that those of us who do not use cars end up subsidizing those who do. In the US, petroleum costs are directly and indirectly subsidized by the government; auto companies get state and local tax breaks to put plants in a community; we all pay for cleanup costs for auto-caused air pollution; and our health insurance premiums are higher to vover those poor souls (mostly children) who are harmed by polluted air. These are just some of the direct, day-to-day costs that we have to bear so others can afford to drive their autos. I'm gonna go check out that book now. It sounds interesting.
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I agree that driving a car is about the most wasteful and expensive transportation option available. That's why I ride my bike and take mass transit.

But on the flip-side, without a car, many people (like my family) would also do without a second job, good choice of schools, convenient access to shopping, long trips, etc.

I see driving as a necessary evil (and fun, sometimes.)
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