Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-10-12, 05:05 PM   #51
njkayaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 9,506
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 80 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by himespau View Post
Not only the cost of a ticket, but the added cost to your insurance. That seems pretty outrageous to me, but maybe for people who do long commutes on the highway they consider that the normal cost of driving. Weird to me though.
No, they would not typically consider it as part of the "normal cost of driving". These drivers might have fewer violations than average even.
njkayaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-12, 06:26 PM   #52
SlowNeasy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: N Fla.
Bikes: new Trek3700,Experianced Raleigh500RT.
Posts: 143
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
This is terrible. It seems worse to lose such a young person. I really feel sorry for her parents.
I recall a case in S. Fla. long ago, where an older guy hit a cyclist who came over the hood and partially through the windshield. The driver drove on home on the beach and drove into his garage with the dying biker on the hood. Said later "Well I just didn't know what else to do". The biker died on the dashboard.
His lawyer happened to come over and after little while they notified the Police. I don't remember ever hearing what happened to the driver. Probably some kind of deal.
After all Killing someone with a car is a non violent crime and all.
Be safe
Dave.
SlowNeasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-12, 07:25 PM   #53
k7baixo
Senior Member
 
k7baixo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: PHX AZ
Bikes: Bacchetta CA2.0
Posts: 501
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
I'm probably jinxing myself, but I haven't gotten a traffic citation since 1985. If you are getting 2 a year, that means you are an utter tool and driving with recklessness on a fairly consistent basis
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir View Post
"Only" two a year? I've been driving for 16 years and I have one moving violation, which probably won't even show up on my record because it was bogus. Was doing 45 in a 45 and a cop pulled me over saying I was doing 65. Wrote me a ticket telling me to go to court on a night that court wasn't in session. Called the police department the next day and they said they have no record of that ticket ever being issued, and I obtained documented proof of that fact.

It is inexcusable to get 19 violations in 10 years. It's not hard to drive by the rules.
I think my last ticket was just before my daughter was born.

Oh, my daughter will be 24 this year.

19 in 10 years? No excuse for that. Nada.

Last edited by k7baixo; 08-15-12 at 07:33 PM.
k7baixo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-12, 12:15 PM   #54
DeadheadSF
Senior Member
 
DeadheadSF's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes: Giant Defy Advanced 3, Trek 520
Posts: 232
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by adamhenry View Post
They are reporting that a preliminary investigation showed that Hayward was bicycling west on Adair and the person operating the Prius was driving south on 10th."

Why am I not surprised?
Yeah, entitled Prius drivers are on my list too. They're quickly catching up to SUVs when it comes to bad drivers, so yeah, I'm not surprised either.
DeadheadSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-12, 09:31 PM   #55
Poguemahone
Vello Kombi, baby
Thread Starter
 
Poguemahone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Je suis ici
Bikes:
Posts: 5,057
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Update: Driver/Tool has asked for a change of venue and to have the prosecutor removed. Part of the reason is likely that hit and run drivers and drivers who kill vulnerable users (peds) have not gotten off lightly in RVA courts over the last year. Probably wants the case tried in one of the surrounding counties, where cyclists are fewer. And another prosecutor might not bring additional charges, which I believe are coming. His lawyers claim they are not looking for a plea, but I think they would leap at 1-2 years of jail time. Also, he's quit his job at the Times Dispatch, no doubt in part becasue it entailed driving. Oh, well. No great loss.
__________________
"It's always darkest right before it goes completely black"

Waste your money! Buy my comic book!
Poguemahone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-12, 12:34 PM   #56
realism
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Eternally Grateful

To Poguemahone.
Thanks to you & everyone that rode with me for the memorial ride. It was one of the most important & defining moments of my life. I was awake all night that night as it all set in. Never-ending gratitude to you and all. Lanie Kruszewski was a brilliant and amazing person. One of a kind. She excelled in everything she did...academics...sports...culinary arts...& most of all in loving others. She was the most unselfish, giving, caring & thoughtful person I have ever met. The contrast between her character and her killer's couldn't be a more polar opposite. Lanie went out of her way constantly to do kind things for others. Eli has no idea who he killed and left for dead...no idea.

Thank you again.

Daniel Pritchett

Last edited by realism; 08-28-12 at 02:00 PM. Reason: clarification
realism is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-12, 09:21 AM   #57
Poguemahone
Vello Kombi, baby
Thread Starter
 
Poguemahone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Je suis ici
Bikes:
Posts: 5,057
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
DP, I am very sorry about your loss. I have no conception of what you are going through, it is rougher than most anything I can imagine. RVA'a bike community is full of good people; don't hesitate to lean on them and involve them in what appears to be activism on your part. Good luck, and I and many others will stick by you.

Update:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2...le-ar-2193591/

Link shows pic of vehicle. "Deer" excuse pretty much gone. I think we're starting to see groundwork laid for a plea. Hope it involves never driving again.

__________________
"It's always darkest right before it goes completely black"

Waste your money! Buy my comic book!

Last edited by Poguemahone; 09-11-12 at 09:23 AM. Reason: image
Poguemahone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-12, 09:27 AM   #58
myrridin
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 2,325
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Interesting that the OP linked article is from the driver's employer...

At least, "Prosecutors plan to ask a grand jury Monday to indict the suspect, Elias Steven Webb, 30, on a felony hit-and-run charge in the death of Lanie Kruszewski,"

I did find the attorney's response indicative; "When asked whether Webb had been drinking, Marcus said: "He wasn't running from anything. He didn't leave the scene because he was worried about being charged with a crime. He did not know he hit this woman.""

Since attorney's are taught to manipulate language, I find it interesting that he didn't actually say whether his client was drinking...
myrridin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-12, 09:31 AM   #59
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Bikes:
Posts: 14,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
too bad it wasn't a deer, he wouldn't have driven away. Paper is his ex-employer, btw.
unterhausen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-12, 05:23 AM   #60
Poguemahone
Vello Kombi, baby
Thread Starter
 
Poguemahone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Je suis ici
Bikes:
Posts: 5,057
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Judge didn't allow case to be moved:

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/n...of-ar-2279526/

Lawyer sez:

Quote:
... members of the cycling community have seized on the case as an opportunity to place "universal blame" for perceived injustices they have suffered on the road at the hands of motorists...
I had no idea we had such a powerful effect on public opinion. Seriously, lawyer has a tough case and is trying to work any angle. I also suspect he annoyed the judge by filing false paperwork a while back, claiming Webb would present an alibi defence, then claiming it was a "clerical error."
__________________
"It's always darkest right before it goes completely black"

Waste your money! Buy my comic book!
Poguemahone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-12, 05:43 AM   #61
skye
Senior Member
 
skye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 886
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Just by way of a little color commentary, it has been my considerable experience over the past 30 years of buying print advertising that the position of ad salesman is one of those classic "fresh-out-of-rehab" jobs.

I would be surprised if the alleged killer's history wasn't knee-deep in bourbon.
skye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-12, 12:46 PM   #62
vol
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 3,297
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
And the victim's mother is an editor for a competing paper. http://www.henricocitizen.com/index....ring_lanie0803 which promises to monitor the legal proceedings. More than a bit awkward.
And the driver is "the son of a local attorney".
vol is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-12, 08:59 PM   #63
Chris516
24-Speed Machine
 
Chris516's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wash. Grove, MD
Bikes: 2003 Specialized Allez 24-Speed Road Bike
Posts: 6,054
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It is revolting, how many times, motorists' get away with the 'I didn't see him/her', or the 'I didn't know I hit anything/anyone'. Yet they don't get held accountable. But when a cyclist tries to report a driver, and has the video evidence to prove it, the police will say they had witness themselves. The police always have an excuse.
Chris516 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-12, 10:59 PM   #64
dougmc
Senior Member
 
dougmc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Bikes: Giant OCR2, Bridgestone RB-T, Bike-E, Vision R-40, Novara Safari
Posts: 3,029
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
It is revolting, how many times, motorists' get away with the 'I didn't see him/her', or the 'I didn't know I hit anything/anyone'. Yet they don't get held accountable. But when a cyclist tries to report a driver, and has the video evidence to prove it, the police will say they had witness themselves. The police always have an excuse.
The police have their reasons, yes, but you seem to be talking about two different things here.

"'I didn't see him/her" isn't so much an issue for the police as for the DA and a jury. It's the DA that decides if he'll prosecute, and it's the jury that decides if they'll convict. The DA's decision is generally based on what he thinks the odds would be in front of a jury -- DAs don't like to lose, so they usually only take cases they think they'll win to court.

As for providing the police with video evidence of something, it's generally a misdemeanor if it's the sort of thing we're normally talking about here. In general, the police have explicit, written policies (if not laws) against arresting people for misdemeanors (especially simple moving violations) if they didn't witness it themselves. Exceptions can be made in some cases, but they tend to require a warrant for the offender's arrest. (For example, here is the relevant Texas law.)

Provide the police with clear video evidence of what is clearly a felony and clearly in their jurisdiction, and they'll act. Especially if they have physical evidence that the crime actually happened as well. (i.e. they have a body, and you show them video of the murder being committed.)
dougmc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-12, 11:50 PM   #65
Chris516
24-Speed Machine
 
Chris516's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wash. Grove, MD
Bikes: 2003 Specialized Allez 24-Speed Road Bike
Posts: 6,054
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
The police have their reasons, yes, but you seem to be talking about two different things here.

"'I didn't see him/her" isn't so much an issue for the police as for the DA and a jury. It's the DA that decides if he'll prosecute, and it's the jury that decides if they'll convict. The DA's decision is generally based on what he thinks the odds would be in front of a jury -- DAs don't like to lose, so they usually only take cases they think they'll win to court.

As for providing the police with video evidence of something, it's generally a misdemeanor if it's the sort of thing we're normally talking about here. In general, the police have explicit, written policies (if not laws) against arresting people for misdemeanors (especially simple moving violations) if they didn't witness it themselves. Exceptions can be made in some cases, but they tend to require a warrant for the offender's arrest. (For example, here is the relevant Texas law.)

Provide the police with clear video evidence of what is clearly a felony and clearly in their jurisdiction, and they'll act. Especially if they have physical evidence that the crime actually happened as well. (i.e. they have a body, and you show them video of the murder being committed.)
I was illustrating how the life a cyclist is marginalized. Both when they are alive, and after they have died as a result of being hit by a motorist.

The policy of the county police here, is they have to witness the 'incident'. They won't rely on the video evidence a cyclist can provide.
Chris516 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-12, 11:56 PM   #66
Bikepacker67
Banned
 
Bikepacker67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ogopogo's shoreline
Bikes: LHT, Kona Smoke
Posts: 4,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Utter tool kills cyclist
Yup.

As opposed to an Udder Tool:

Which probably has more processing power than this Einstein.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg cow_portable.jpg (29.3 KB, 1 views)
Bikepacker67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-12, 12:00 PM   #67
dougmc
Senior Member
 
dougmc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Bikes: Giant OCR2, Bridgestone RB-T, Bike-E, Vision R-40, Novara Safari
Posts: 3,029
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
I was illustrating how the life a cyclist is marginalized. Both when they are alive, and after they have died as a result of being hit by a motorist.
That's not specific to a cyclist. The same things happen when motorists kill pedestrians and other motorists.

Quote:
The policy of the county police here, is they have to witness the 'incident'. They won't rely on the video evidence a cyclist can provide.
That's the policy of most police (and it's often mandated by law, or at least there's additional requirements to charge somebody for a misdemeanor that the police did not witness), and it's not cyclist specific.

The police have rules they have to follow, and for the most part these rules don't care about the distinctions between cyclist, motorist and pedestrian. The DA has rules too, and he also has to worry about what a jury might do. (And the jury is the only group here that's not subject to such restrictive rules, and most of the rules they do have can be disregarded as long as the jurist is willing to shut up or lie about why they did something.)
dougmc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-12, 05:00 PM   #68
Wolfvegas
Senior Member
 
Wolfvegas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nova Scotia, CANADA
Bikes: CCM 21 speed big box special.....
Posts: 237
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
my brother hit the house with a uhaul and didnt know so anythings possible...
Wolfvegas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-12, 06:58 PM   #69
realism
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfvegas View Post
my brother hit the house with a uhaul and didnt know so anythings possible...
Did the house sit on your brother's windshield for over an hundred feet?
realism is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-12, 10:42 PM   #70
coolkat
Cyclist
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: 1984 Univega Specialissima, 1989 Schwinn Prelude, 1976 Centurion Super LeMans 3 Speed IGH
Posts: 313
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
The windshield's smashed directly in front of the driver. You would think he'd notice a gaping hole surrounded by cracks right in front of him...
coolkat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-12, 11:44 PM   #71
realism
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by vol View Post
Originally Posted by wphamilton
And the victim's mother is an editor for a competing paper. http://www.henricocitizen.com/index....ring_lanie0803 which promises to monitor the legal proceedings. More than a bit awkward.
And the driver is "the son of a local attorney".
I'd hardly call The Henrico Citizen a competing paper. The Henrico Citizen is very small community newspaper. The Times-Dispatch is the largest newspaper in Richmond, by far, and they've been stellar thus far. Nothing awkward.
realism is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-12, 11:49 PM   #72
realism
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolkat View Post
The windshield's smashed directly in front of the driver. You would think he'd notice a gaping hole surrounded by cracks right in front of him...
....as she sat on his windshield for an hundred feet or so, and then he drove his car at night several miles with his windshield in that condition, without stopping. Sober? He's a bigger piece of **** if he was sober... No excuse.
realism is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-12, 08:27 AM   #73
Poguemahone
Vello Kombi, baby
Thread Starter
 
Poguemahone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Je suis ici
Bikes:
Posts: 5,057
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm going to explain a couple of things here.

I've responded to at least two posters who felt the onus was on the cyclist here. In one case, the entire thread was removed; in the other the post (and my responce to the post) was removed. I assume this last was by the poster I responded to, who upon seeing my responce realized how idiotic his blame the cyclist stance now appeared. Lest anyone else take this tack:

Despite what you may think you see on google maps, this road is relatively safe for cyclists. I have both ridden and driven this road for years, and am usually on it at least once a week. There is adequate room to pass and there is a very long sightline, right around 1/3 of a mile (I have recently measured it). The speed limit is a mild 35, dropping to 30 once the hill is crested.

Further, the road crosses the James and then rises up a hill. This hill is where the collision took place. From the lower ground, you can quite clearly see obstacles way in front of you. The collision occured on this stretch of extremely visible ground. Given that the rider had lights at night, if anything she was more visible than she would have been in the daytime. In both night and daytime, riders are easily seen on this stretch. A driver would have to be semi-comatose to not register a cyclist on this stretch.

There is only one person in this situation who was behaving foolishly. This is Mr. Webb, who continued to drive his car despite substantial evidence he was a truly awful and dangerous driver. If he had even a scintilla of personal responsibility, he would have turned in his driver's permit years ago.
__________________
"It's always darkest right before it goes completely black"

Waste your money! Buy my comic book!
Poguemahone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-12, 01:01 PM   #74
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Bikes:
Posts: 14,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
anti-cyclist nonsense has no place in a thread like this, and I will continue to delete or move such posts.
unterhausen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-12, 02:03 PM   #75
Poguemahone
Vello Kombi, baby
Thread Starter
 
Poguemahone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Je suis ici
Bikes:
Posts: 5,057
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I personally would rather such comments remain and are responded to properly. Northernlights was not abusive, but poorly informed.
__________________
"It's always darkest right before it goes completely black"

Waste your money! Buy my comic book!
Poguemahone is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:20 PM.