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Crazyed..27 02-14-13 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 15275174)
A good Kid - He's 31 years old. I hate crap like that. His father shares in the guilt for this one.

At 31 how does his father share the guilt.......unless it is supplying the Lawyer? He is far removed from his parents.

howsteepisit 02-14-13 10:07 PM

Because his father is still treating him as a child as witnessed by the father's statement that "he's a good kid". Clearly the parent in this case has failed to help his 31 year old adult act with anything that remotely resembles adult responsibility.

Poguemahone 02-14-13 10:12 PM

His father helped him get around his countless driving infractions. Mr. Webb was a disaster behind the wheel.

Thing that makes me sick is you can almost write a script.

"I thought it was a deer." (Liked the prosecutor refering to this as the "Bambi defence")

"He's a good caring person."

"Why ruin another life?" (to which I would reply, Mr. Webb ruined his own life. Let him stew in it)

Every @#$% excuse is present in this case and has been uttered by Mr. Webb and his varied enablers. And there's the new one, the golf club excuse, just for spice.

I'm surprised they suggested three years, I thought he'd get less and deserved more. I suspect the jury just didn't believe much of his garbage.

Clarabelle 02-15-13 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mcrow (Post 14562928)
I can see someone hitting something in the dark and not knowing what they hit but not knowing you hit something the size of a person with a bike is plain stupid. You damn well know you hit something that big and whether you know what it was or not you should stop and look.

Couldn't agree more. I hit a medium sized dog one night which made a terrible racket. A bike and rider? That would have to be noticeable. Reading further, it seems like his BS excuse didn't work.

Poguemahone 02-15-13 05:37 AM

Today's update:
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...b2187b8e5.html

himespau 02-15-13 09:43 AM

And the judge can't give him more than the jury recommends? That sucks.

Crazyed..27 02-15-13 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 15275570)
Because his father is still treating him as a child as witnessed by the father's statement that "he's a good kid". Clearly the parent in this case has failed to help his 31 year old adult act with anything that remotely resembles adult responsibility.

Thanks that just helped me realize how much of a brat this man child still is.

Poguemahone 07-03-13 05:41 AM

Judge confirms jury's sentence recommendation. Off to jail.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...0be61cdf7.html

himespau 07-03-13 06:30 AM

It's not enough, but it's better than nothing.

UberGeek 07-03-13 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 15266888)
This is illegal in VA. Has been for a couple years now. Also illegal in MD and DC.

It's also illegal in NYS. As is driving while intoxicated. And, we had a similar story here in WNY like this:

Doctor driving home drunk, hits a woman skateboarding on the road. Leaves the scene, starts scrubbing down his bumper when he gets home at 10:30PM. Claims he thought he hit a possum or dog.

The impact threw the victim over 100ft in the air.

The doctor? He basically walks after spending 5 months in jail for "Common law DUI". And now, Dr. Corisanti is practicing medicine again.

rumrunn6 07-03-13 07:37 AM

tragic, in our 20s my girlfriend used to ride her bike home from work to see me, it could have been her. summer = the 100 most deadly days of the year

three years in prison for leaving the scene, but not for killing her?

ItsJustMe 07-03-13 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by UberGeek (Post 15809849)
The impact threw the victim over 100ft in the air.

Have to nitpick a little, that sounds like sloppy reporting. It's really unlikely that it threw a person 100 ft in the air. Maybe 100 feet THROUGH the air. Getting a body 100 feet straight up from a car going forward would require some kind of a scoop like a snow wing plow and a hell of a lot of speed. 100 feet straight up is a long ways.

ItsJustMe 07-03-13 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 15809914)
summer = the 100 most deadly days of the year

I've seen more stupidity this year than in any previous year. In the past 8 years, I've had only one real dumb thing done around me, a car passed me on a blind hill and wound up swerving sharply and fishtailing almost out of control for a few hundred feet after a car appeared coming the other way.

But just in the last 2 months I've narrowly avoided a right hook and a left cross only by braking hard and swerving, I've had someone pass me on a curve in a substandard lane with another car clearly visible coming the other way, running the other car into the ditch, and I've had an oncoming car pass another, running me into the ditch, all while riding. While driving, I had another car cut a curve over halfway into my lane, driving me well into the shoulder, nearly into the ditch, on a curve where the other car had 200 feet of visibility so could easily have seen me, apparently just wasn't paying attention.

Poguemahone 07-04-13 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by himespau (Post 15809634)
It's not enough, but it's better than nothing.

Frankly, it's pretty long for a case like this one. You can make a very good argument that jailing drivers like Mr. Webb imposes costs on society. The most disturbing part of the sentence to me is not the jail sentence, but the one-year ban on driving; he will drive again and he will still be awful at it. Lifetime ban sounds about right.

That said, this case points up how difficult it can be to keep awful drivers like Mr. Webb off the road, and a couple of good jail sentences in cases like this can't but throw the fear into at least some bad drivers. And jail may wind up being the only way to keep them off the road; three years taken out of your life is a pretty big chunk.

I would favour even longer suspended sentences in cases like this (ten years) with all time to be served if the driver drives again. In other words, drive again, go directly to jail, do not pass go.

himespau 07-04-13 07:03 PM

I hope they make the ban consecutive to the jail sentence, not concurrent, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't think that through and when he gets out in a bit under two years has his license already back.

Poguemahone 07-06-13 05:04 AM

Mr. Webb now recieving preferential treatment in jail.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/la...ebook-comments

Odd that neither prosecutors nor family were contacted. Boyfriend's quote telling and accurate.

Family has also filed five million dollar lawsuit against Mr. Webb.

KD5NRH 07-07-13 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by himespau (Post 14571800)
Not only the cost of a ticket, but the added cost to your insurance. That seems pretty outrageous to me, but maybe for people who do long commutes on the highway they consider that the normal cost of driving. Weird to me though.

When I was in sales, a 400 mile day wasn't that unusual. Given my territory, 150 miles was bare minimum for a day. I averaged about 5 over on the highways, (amusing that they've since been reposted to the speeds I drove in most sections) and still the only time I even got stopped was a warning for the front plate that had fallen off that morning going through a deep puddle. (35 miles from the nearest real hardware store where I could get something to put it back on with, and they stopped me 8 miles short of the store.)

KD5NRH 07-07-13 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarabelle (Post 15276107)
Couldn't agree more. I hit a medium sized dog one night which made a terrible racket. A bike and rider? That would have to be noticeable. Reading further, it seems like his BS excuse didn't work.

At certain times of the year in several parts of TX, it's pretty much impossible to avoid hitting rabbits on the highway. Even in my Blazer the crunch was pretty noticeable unless the stereo was cranked loud. A raccoon was enough of a thump that it couldn't go unnoticed on any reasonably smooth road.

I could see someone not realizing they'd had a mirror-to-handlebar clip that was just enough to dump the cyclist, especially in a beater, (my Saturn has so many clunks and groans I keep the sunroof open partly to make sure I can hear sirens) but that's clearly not what happened in these cases.

KD5NRH 07-07-13 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Roushe (Post 15267024)
I guess that would be tampering with evidence? Obstruction?

Should have been. Also, this should have been torn part mercilessly:
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When Webb looked in his rearview mirror he could not see that he had struck someone, Cooley said. He argued that the speed limit is 35 mph along that part of River Road near the Country Club of Virginia, and that a vehicle travels 51.3 feet per second at that speed.


How long does it take to look from the phone to the mirror? Even one second would be pathetic.

UberGeek 07-10-13 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe (Post 15811267)
Have to nitpick a little, that sounds like sloppy reporting. It's really unlikely that it threw a person 100 ft in the air. Maybe 100 feet THROUGH the air. Getting a body 100 feet straight up from a car going forward would require some kind of a scoop like a snow wing plow and a hell of a lot of speed. 100 feet straight up is a long ways.

Yes, sloppy on my part. 100 feet through the air. 100 feet from impact location, to the victim's final location.


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