jbiddenback

Where do you think someone stupid enough to behave like that and crow about it in a blog using her real name managed to get enough money to have a BMW, and spend it on a BMW instead of losing it all to fines and lawsuits? Clever investments?

SqueeKeeNees

But ... but ... there are LBSs in New Jersey!


*bah-DUM-ching*

Apologies to our NJ brothers and sisters - I couldn't resist.

dynodonn 

She never so mentions anything about having told her hubby about this incident as she cleans her own car..... as for the Beamer, women are allowed to make a high end income....business owner?

prathmann

So with 4 cars stopped at the intersection, one from each of the 4 directions, then no one can ever proceed since each will be waiting for the car to their right to go first. Are the intersections with 4-way stops in Vancouver clogged with cars stuck in this perpetual stalemate or may I assume that in practice the logjam is broken by letting the earliest arrival proceed?

LesterOfPuppets

Nope first one to arrive goes first, then if the next one to arrive is opposite the first one, but a third car arrives to the first car's left, then the third car goes second.

Maybe a diagram is in order here, but I'm not in the mood

AlbertaBeef

Lester, no offense but that's not the way four-way stops work anywhere in the world, including Washington State.

Maybe it's time to re-read your Washington State driver's guide: https://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense...erguide-en.pdf

From page 41 of your guide... "At a four-way stop the driver reaching the intersection first, goes first (after coming to a complete stop). If more than one vehicle arrives at the same time, the vehicle on the right goes first."

LesterOfPuppets

Yep, vehicle to the right has the right of way. That's what I tried to describe, dunno if I did accurately, been a long day.

I knew a diagram was in order.

prathmann

At all 4-way stops with significant traffic that I've ever seen, there are sometimes moments when there are cars stopped simultaneously at all 4 corners. If the rule you cite were strictly followed then no one could ever go in that scenario and they'd be stuck there forever - so clearly it isn't strictly followed.

The poster to whom you originally responded said he waited for one car to go across the intersection while he did a trackstand and then when he proceeded the car to his right also entered the intersection. Now if the car that he first let go came from his right then surely he's entitled to go across before the second car, also from his right, is allowed to proceed. It wasn't clear in his post if that was the case, but it also wasn't clear that it wasn't - so concluding that he would not have had the right of way is speculative.

Based on the above quote from the Wash. State manual it appears that the 'person on right' has the right-of-way is only used to break ties in arrival time - so if the cyclist arrived before the car on his right then he should have been allowed to proceed.

LesterOfPuppets

Hmmm, actually WA driver's guide doesn't go into detail about the 3-car scenario above, no wonder it's so nuts here.

I learned to drive in AZ, though. There's it's yield to the right:

AlbertaBeef

The confusion stems from when you said "It doesn't go in order of who arrived, the person to your right has right of way." ... which would never work, logistically-speaking, and simply isn't correct...

You do proceed through according to the order they arrive in. One vehicle only yields right-of-way to the vehicle on the right IF you both arrive at the same time.

... and back on topic... I hope this lady gets charged. If you do some searching you'll see she's written several anti-cyclist articles. She obviously has an axe to grind and not only did she commit assault with a deadly weapon, but she admitted it to the world...

Also, how does a cyclist give her the finger with BOTH hands while "steering with his knees" since the knees don't reach the handlebars? The only steering I do with no-hands involves slight leaning of the body while pedaling... She's obviously not just a dangerous psycho, but a lying, dangerous psycho.

LesterOfPuppets

I don't believe he cited the position of the first car. If indeed they were both coming from the same road then it would indeed be the cyclist's turn after the first car.

LesterOfPuppets

The way I learned, in the 3-car scenario I cited, the third car to arrive would go second, thus not going in the order arrived.

AlbertaBeef

Well, it may be what you learned, but - again, no offense - it's not what washington state nor AZ teaches.

They both teach that at a 4-way stop you:

1) go in order of arrival, unless;
2) you arrive at the same time as cross-traffic, then you yield to the person on the right.

That's pretty-much universal across N.America as far as I know.

degnaw

If the cyclist had actually stopped, I imagine he would've reacted differently than described, especially when directly accused of running the stop sign.

AlbertaBeef

The more I read her story the more things don't make sense...

degnaw

The exception I can think of to that rule is that if your path doesn't interfere with the path of a car that arrived before you, you can go. Perhaps it's more of a tacit rule, but it's pretty much universally practiced.

prathmann

Unfortunately I don't see any way in which she would be charged with anything just based on this article. Unless the cyclist comes forward and wants to have charges filed there's no witness and only her own statement - which wasn't made under oath so she could easily repudiate it without any consequence. But if she's later involved in another traffic altercation with a cyclist then this article (and others that she's written) could be used as evidence of her state of mind and attitude towards cyclists.

The 'steering with his knees' comment sounded a bit strange, but I think there might be a logical explanation. Some bikes are prone to shimmy when ridden no-handed and an effective way to stop the shimmy is to clamp the top tube between your knees. So if she saw the cyclist doing this she may have thought he was somehow using his knees to steer even if he was just doing it to make the bike more stable while using slight weight shifts to do the steering.

SteamingAlong

I'm not saying the bicyclist or the driver was right, all I know is that story was dramatic piece of garbage, that reads like it was written by a self-entitled two year old.

Notice the amount of detail she offers, especially about the appearance of the cyclist. Either she is full of it or has no business behind the wheel, because if she was able to notice all that while DRIVING down the road, I guarantee she was not paying attention to what was on the road around or in front of her.

I like the subtle inclusion that she drives a BMW. Not that she's better than anyone though. For full disclosure, she should have included two key pieces of information - Her age, since she talked at length about the cyclist age, somehow insinuating that this was an explanation for his behavior, yet her behavior was some how more mature. Also, what brand of bike was he riding? Maybe it was a good brand, which cost as much as her BMW, not that she's bragging though, or derives her self worth by the value of her posessions.

smevans

Sounds like a ******bag biker thinking he owns the road. Yes she could be exaggerating a bit, but if the guy indeed spit on her car multiple times and yelled profanities at her then I tend to believe the biker is a tool. Who really lowers them self to attempting to spit on another human? She should have ran his ass over and kept on her marry way. I see too many bikers thinking they own the road and have some sort of right to do whatever they want. They ruin it for those of us that do follow the rules.

If he did nothing wrong and she wrongly yelling at him, why stump to her level? Be a grown up and turn away. Its a simple thing to do.

smevans

But then again, I guess she should have been the bigger person and ignored him....

dynodonn 

Anger makes people do things that they normally would consider foolish in a calmer state. There was one motorist that berated me so intensely, that when she was done, she could not remember her own home phone number in order to call her daughter, so she could tell her daughter that some cyclist had made her late in getting home.

delcrossv

Well, if the "status" supposedly conferred on someone by owning a BMW wasn't important to her, she wouldn't have bought one in the first place,yes?

tagaproject6

Really? And you are okay with that? IT is a good way of thinning the herd for those that follow the rules (as I am sure you don't break any rule). But what if you do break a rule and someone decides that you should get run over. I guess that would be okay too.

smevans

Well no, I was exagerrating a bit. Obviously I dont want someone hurt. But it takes a very disturbed and full of hate person to attempt to spit on another human being. Either way, the situation could have been handled better by both parties.

And you are correct, I dont break any rules when I ride on the street (which I do not do often. Once a week at the most). I find that most cars give you a significant amount of more respect when your stuck at the same red light they are.

tagaproject6

Then you wouldn't survive in New York...some would spit on your windshield, not because they are full of hate, they just want some change...