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    front and rear video cameras - excessive ?

    For the last year I have been riding my bike with my Go pro mounted to the front. Now that the new Go Pro 3 is out and I HAVE to have one, I am considering mounting it as well. I think it would be great for documenting great rides but also for bad car behaviour.

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    I have thought about this, I think it's a good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    I have thought about this, I think it's a good idea
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    Given the resources, I'd have front, back, helmet, and left side coverage (right if I was back in the UK) to cover the most likely angles of a collision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K'Tesh View Post
    Given the resources, I'd have front, back, helmet, and left side coverage (right if I was back in the UK) to cover the most likely angles of a collision.


    Don't plan on archiving, sounds like a ton of downloading/storing.

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    If one's commute is pretty docile, running with any camera is excessive unless one want's to record the scenery.

    I run front and rear cams in order to get a better chance at getting a license number and detailed info on any motorist that severely endangers my personal safety while I'm riding my bicycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Don't plan on archiving, sounds like a ton of downloading/storing.

    When I record with my Go Pro I usually dont download the video from a days ride unless something interesting happened. I just delete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
    When I record with my Go Pro I usually dont download the video from a days ride unless something interesting happened. I just delete.


    I archive all my videos, there's always something interesting going on my commutes, even after reviewing each one several times, I'm amazed at some of the things that I missed.

    So many changes have happened on my commutes, that it's great to see how things looked before and after.

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    IMO not excessive at all, in fact I think kind of necessary. Consider the situation that made me decide this:

    I was riding over an expressway overpass in the very wide (about 8 feet) shoulder. I continued straight as it turned into a right turn lane into the onramp (riding slightly to the right of the lane divider line). In my mirror I observed a driver starting to drift right in behind me, following the beginning of the lane. I assumed that he wanted to take the onramp, so I moved left to the right tire track of the rightmost straight through lane.

    Then the driver woke up or looked up from his phone or whatever he was doing and veered back to the right, was quite close to me by then and laid on his horn at me for being "in his way."

    I realized that with front only video, had I been hit the video would have shown me moving unexpectedly to the left, into the main traffic lane for no apparent reason then getting hit. Since it's common for short term memory to be lost after an accident I probably would not be able to contest this.

    In that case front only video could have actually been detrimental to my case without rear facing video as well.

    I definitely do not archive my video, as two high def cameras for 2 hours a day generate about 12GB per day which would be 3.6 terabytes per year. Generally when I get home, if nothing happened I format the cards in camera and plug the cameras into chargers. 99% of my video never gets viewed.
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    The other day I was riding, with a new go pro mounted to my bike using their handlebar mounting system. The plastic mount failed and caused the camera and its housing to bounce across the street. I was going about 20mph. Fortunately traffic was very light and I was able to retrieve the camera with no additional impacts from cars.

    The relevant portion for those of you using these cameras for evidence in the event of collision. The camera had turned itself off when I picked it up, presumably from the crash. When I later viewed the saved video, I discovered that the video stopped about fifteen seconds (give or take) before the camera went flying. I am guessing that the camera has some kind of internal memory buffer, and that when a collision occurs the relevant video will not actually end up recorded on the SD card...

    Something to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K'Tesh View Post
    Given the resources, I'd have front, back, helmet, and left side coverage (right if I was back in the UK) to cover the most likely angles of a collision.
    How would you position a camera to do side coverage?

    This did remind me of a driver that passed me. Only to end up PIT'ting themselves. When they hit an SUV in the next lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    How would you position a camera to do side coverage?
    Many cameras have 170 degree coverage. Doing front and rear and tipping them to favor the traffic side would cover that side, if the cameras could be mounted appropriately (so the helmet isn't in the way, for instance).
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    Quote Originally Posted by myrridin View Post
    The other day I was riding, with a new go pro mounted to my bike using their handlebar mounting system. The plastic mount failed and caused the camera and its housing to bounce across the street. I was going about 20mph. Fortunately traffic was very light and I was able to retrieve the camera with no additional impacts from cars.

    The relevant portion for those of you using these cameras for evidence in the event of collision. The camera had turned itself off when I picked it up, presumably from the crash. When I later viewed the saved video, I discovered that the video stopped about fifteen seconds (give or take) before the camera went flying. I am guessing that the camera has some kind of internal memory buffer, and that when a collision occurs the relevant video will not actually end up recorded on the SD card...

    Something to consider.
    This is why, when I finally do get a GoPro camera, I am also going to get a Chest Mount Harness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Many cameras have 170 degree coverage. Doing front and rear and tipping them to favor the traffic side would cover that side, if the cameras could be mounted appropriately (so the helmet isn't in the way, for instance).
    Great, I won't need three camera's. That is a relief.

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    I don't need any, should I be concerned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    This is why, when I finally do get a GoPro camera, I am also going to get a Chest Mount Harness.
    I have one, and it's not too bad, but let me give you some food for thought.

    Check out how the camera mounts to the plate, then it's held firmly to your chest. The angle isn't too bad, but for me, I seem to get more road than traffic I may need to ID. The prominent position of the camera is facing downwards.

    This is why I made a mount to connect the camera to the stem on my steer tube. Works perfectly. I just have to make one for the SS now.

    On another note, I saved my video for awhile, but I delete it now too. Unless there is something cool I want to keep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    I don't need any, should I be concerned?
    Probably not. I don't know what traffic is like there, but here, I like to have one. Just one. Would be nice to have one for the rear...

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    Hey myriddin, here's the way I mounted the camera to my bike. I didn't trust the adhesive tape...
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    Quote Originally Posted by silmarillion View Post
    Probably not. I don't know what traffic is like there, but here, I like to have one. Just one. Would be nice to have one for the rear...

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    OK, how about a tip?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    This is why, when I finally do get a GoPro camera, I am also going to get a Chest Mount Harness.

    How does a chest harness prevent the camera from experiencing the shock of an impact (accident) and thus not actually save video of the impact event? For other purposes, I found a company that offers machined aluminum mounts that are much studier for both the handlebars as well as the seat (front and rear facing).

    It seems that the camera (Gopro at least) can only provide video of events while riding that do not include collision with the bicycle or the rider with the camera... Which in my mind makes the OP's question moot for this camera at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silmarillion View Post
    Hey myriddin, here's the way I mounted the camera to my bike. I didn't trust the adhesive tape...
    That is the same mounting device that failed for me. Take a look at the reviews on Amazon for it. Turns out the failure I experienced is fairly common for that mounting device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myrridin View Post
    The camera had turned itself off when I picked it up, presumably from the crash. When I later viewed the saved video, I discovered that the video stopped about fifteen seconds (give or take) before the camera went flying. I am guessing that the camera has some kind of internal memory buffer, and that when a collision occurs the relevant video will not actually end up recorded on the SD card...

    Something to consider.
    One would think that a activity type camera such as the GoPro would be designed for impacts/shocks, and to keep on videoing. I have a complete video of my bike falling over and landing squarely on my Contour(the Contour still bears the scars), and having me walk over and picking up the bike.

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    I want a camera...especially for commuting. If more of us used cameras, I think a lot of poor auto behavior would stop. It sends a strong message if drivers think that guy might be recording me, do I want to throw that soda? Should i do my Easy Rider impersonation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    I want a camera...especially for commuting. If more of us used cameras, I think a lot of poor auto behavior would stop. It sends a strong message if drivers think that guy might be recording me, do I want to throw that soda? Should i do my Easy Rider impersonation?
    At a stop sign or stop light, a motorist might spot your camera and may think differently in exhibiting poor personal behavior, but while you and the motorist are at speed, not so much in behavioral changes occur. While at speed, getting the most detailed info with your camera that you can get on certain motorists, so it can be reported to law enforcement or media, usually gets much better results than just strapping a camera to the bike alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    One would think that a activity type camera such as the GoPro would be designed for impacts/shocks, and to keep on videoing. I have a complete video of my bike falling over and landing squarely on my Contour(the Contour still bears the scars), and having me walk over and picking up the bike.
    I would have thought so as well; however, my experience as described says not. Even with your contour, I think there is a difference between falling over, and crashing to the ground at 20mph, much less being hit by a car at 45+ mph...

    Of all the cycling videos posted to the web of 'offensive drivers' do any show an actual collision? If so, what cameras were being used...

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