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    I love this guy...

    He really knows how to ride in the street: Go Kohbar, go!



    Turn on "cc" for English subtitles.
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    Excellent video, impressive guy, great knowledge and control of his own situation in traffic.
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    Great video!
    Periodically he controls the middle lane - makes sense from his perspective; but counter to what many riders do and what is expected by other drivers and law enforcement here in the US. I like the ride-in elevator at the end.

    His main lessons:

    Control the proper lane.
    Ride predictably.
    Signal intentions.
    Be polite and give way to peds.
    and maybe: show no fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peckma View Post
    Great video!
    Periodically he controls the middle lane - makes sense from his perspective; but counter to what many riders do and what is expected by other drivers and law enforcement here in the US. I like the ride-in elevator at the end.

    His main lessons:

    Control the proper lane.
    Ride predictably.
    Signal intentions.
    Be polite and give way to peds.
    and maybe: show no fear.
    True dat. Even so, it it's a right turn only lane, I'll ride the middle here in the States. I don't filter like he does but that's more specific to (expected in) Saudi Arabia.
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    "May the peace and mercy be upon you"
    Translation: Either "Bless your heart" or something that definitely won't get past the censors.

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    Lots of nice new cars in that video.

    Now I know where my $4.78 a gallon for gas is going.

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    OK, for the facilities fanatics, I now know which cycling facility accommodation I want most - an elevator I can just ride my bent into without ever getting off it plus ride straight in and straight out.
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    Fantastic video!!! I am glad he is relaxed on a recumbent. Because I would be scared out of my wits. I am glad I have my racing bike.

    He obviously has two GoPros'. Since the video was done in Full Screen, I wonder if GoPro videos' can be shot in Wide Screen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peckma View Post
    . . . Periodically he controls the middle lane . . .
    I think he is just avoiding the use of a right turn lane.
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    "May the peace be upon you." Like Almost makes me want to get a recumbent and take up Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
    "May the peace be upon you." Like Almost makes me want to get a recumbent and take up Islam.
    I'm just as likely to do one as the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    I'm just as likely to do one as the other.
    That's progress! I would have thought you'd take up Islam long before you'd ride a 'bent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
    Almost makes me want to get a recumbent...
    Really? That's the thing about that video that made me uncomfortable the whole time. On my hybrid, if I'm hit by a sedan I'm going to take the impact on my legs, if hit by a truck, i'm going to take it on my torso. If that guy gets hit, he's pizza. He's going to take the hit everywhere because he's gonna be under any vehicle on that road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Really? That's the thing about that video that made me uncomfortable the whole time. On my hybrid, if I'm hit by a sedan I'm going to take the impact on my legs, if hit by a truck, i'm going to take it on my torso. If that guy gets hit, he's pizza. He's going to take the hit everywhere because he's gonna be under any vehicle on that road.
    Not generally true- they're considerably safer in front end/rear end collisions and about the same elsewise. If you're hit by a truck, I don't think what platform you favor will make a whole lotta difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delcrossv View Post
    That's progress! I would have thought you'd take up Islam long before you'd ride a 'bent.
    Nope, the possibility of either is equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    I'm just as likely to do one as the other.
    I won't do either. But as far as instructional intentions for the video, that video is a keeper.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Really? That's the thing about that video that made me uncomfortable the whole time. On my hybrid, if I'm hit by a sedan I'm going to take the impact on my legs, if hit by a truck, i'm going to take it on my torso. If that guy gets hit, he's pizza. He's going to take the hit everywhere because he's gonna be under any vehicle on that road.
    While I really liked his religious devotion, I don't agree with Islam. But that is beside the point.

    I certainly liked how at ease he was on his recumbent. The instructional parts of the video are great!!!

    You are definitely right, if he gets hit, he will not survive. A recumbent and heavy traffic don't mix.

    For his sake, I hope he doesn't become a fatality.

    Quote Originally Posted by delcrossv View Post
    Not generally true- they're considerably safer in front end/rear end collisions and about the same elsewise. If you're hit by a truck, I don't think what platform you favor will make a whole lotta difference.
    I was rear-ended by a truck in May, while on my bike. The guy turned my back wheel into a taco. But he generously paid for the repairs. Because he knew it was his fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
    I think he is just avoiding the use of a right turn lane.
    I too, try to avoid, the right-turn lane, when I plan on continuing straight.
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    Nice video, but I do have a couple of setbacks. First, I do have trouble seeing traffic lights during the day time; second, I think I'll have trouble with predictability; third, I don't feel comfortable being in a road with any speed limit greater than 30 MPH, and last but not least, unless cars have lights turned on during the day time, I'll have trouble judging the cars by speed or sound when coming out of a driveway.

    I really think this does have something to do with visual impairment, but I'm not sure if others who are visually impaired have done this. I'm blind in my left eye, but despite that even if I have good vision in my right eye, when it's very bright during the day time, I can't see very well enough to pay attention to traffic lights far away when approaching the intersection.

    Anyway, I've signed up for CyclingSavvy Tallahassee just to see how it goes for my upright tricycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    You are definitely right, if he gets hit, he will not survive. A recumbent and heavy traffic don't mix.

    .
    I too must be a statistcal anomaly. Been doing just that since '93 without injury.

    YMMV of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delcrossv View Post
    Not generally true- they're considerably safer in front end/rear end collisions and about the same elsewise. If you're hit by a truck, I don't think what platform you favor will make a whole lotta difference.
    If I get hit by a grille, I'd rather that the majority of my body was over the top of that grille than under it. I would like to know why recumbents are better in either front or rear impacts since I would think that with the smaller wheels, they'd slip entirely underneath most SUVs. In accident video I've seen riders normally get thrown up into the air. If you were that low you'd not be thrown up but rather just run over. Most of my body on my bike is at least at level with a pickup grille, which is better than being under the wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delcrossv View Post
    I too must be a statistcal anomaly. Been doing just that since '93 without injury.

    YMMV of course.
    You've been being hit since '93? That's what he said, IF hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraysonPeddie View Post
    I don't feel comfortable being in a road with any speed limit greater than 30 MPH
    Are you able to ride at all? You wouldn't around here. Stretches of road with speed limits under 30 are unheard of except for stretches of less than a mile within towns. In urban areas I guess you're OK.

    However, though I've not done much urban riding, I feel much safer riding on a 2 lane road with no shoulder and traffic going 60+ MPH than I do in heavy urban traffic going 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    If I get hit by a grille, I'd rather that the majority of my body was over the top of that grille than under it. I would like to know why recumbents are better in either front or rear impacts since I would think that with the smaller wheels, they'd slip entirely underneath most SUVs. In accident video I've seen riders normally get thrown up into the air. If you were that low you'd not be thrown up but rather just run over. Most of my body on my bike is at least at level with a pickup grille, which is better than being under the wheel.
    Most TBI's are due to endo's, not direct strike. You can endo at a much lower relative speed on an upright. Not getting thrown up is the air is what preferred in an accident scenario. Also,there's a lot of variability in wheelsize on recumbents, some are dual 700c

    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    You've been being hit since '93? That's what he said, IF hit.
    He also said riding in heavy traffic. I generally try to avoid being hit. That said, from those that have been seriously hit they've fared at least as well. (Remember, upright riders sometimes get under the wheels too). Not saying riding a bent is going to save you, but it certainly isn't worse.

    Serious hit from rear - rider got whiplash and abrasions (no endo).



    Serious hit from rear, rider endo'd into windshield and died.



    We're straying pretty far from the topic (good street riding technique) so I'll leave it there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delcrossv View Post
    I too must be a statistcal anomaly. Been doing just that since '93 without injury.

    YMMV of course.
    More power to ya'

    On a recumbent, I would feel like I was in a slow moving Lamborghini. Because of how a driver is practically positioned in the car.

    I am sort of jealous. The ease with which a cyclist on a recumbent can signal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Are you able to ride at all? You wouldn't around here. Stretches of road with speed limits under 30 are unheard of except for stretches of less than a mile within towns. In urban areas I guess you're OK.

    However, though I've not done much urban riding, I feel much safer riding on a 2 lane road with no shoulder and traffic going 60+ MPH than I do in heavy urban traffic going 20.
    No, only in sidewalks.

    I've tried riding in bike lanes in Appleyard Dr., but man... I feel like I'm too close to cars due to the width of my tricycle while using a very narrow bike lane.

    Update: I think it's pretty much the fear of riding in the road that's the problem for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    ...I am sort of jealous. The ease with which a cyclist on a recumbent can signal.
    Perhaps, but the hand signalling of the guy in the video is rather ambiguous, looking more like a wave of thanks or greeting than signalling a turn. Pointing is also problematic because it is usually a means of drawing attention to something, not indicating a turn.

    IMO, arm straight out, hand flat with all fingers extended and held together with palm facing forward is best, and least likely to misconstrued.

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