Cycling advocates say [bike] tracks are the future.
11-01-12, 07:04 PM
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Hate to break it to you, but you live in California, where it is has been illegal to ride outside the bike lane for 15 years (although I've never heard of this actually being enforced).
V C Section 21208 Permitted Movements from Bicycle Lanes
Permitted Movements from Bicycle Lanes
21208. (a) Whenever a bicycle lane has been established on a roadway pursuant to Section 21207, any person operating a bicycle upon the roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride within the bicycle lane, except that the person may move out of the lane under any of the following situations:
(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle, vehicle, or pedestrian within the lane or about to enter the lane if the overtaking and passing cannot be done safely within the lane.
(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) When reasonably necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions.
(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.
(b) No person operating a bicycle shall leave a bicycle lane until the movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided in Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 22100) in the event that any vehicle may be affected by the movement.
Amended Sec. 5, Ch. 674, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997.
V C Section 21208 Permitted Movements from Bicycle Lanes
Permitted Movements from Bicycle Lanes
21208. (a) Whenever a bicycle lane has been established on a roadway pursuant to Section 21207, any person operating a bicycle upon the roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride within the bicycle lane, except that the person may move out of the lane under any of the following situations:
(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle, vehicle, or pedestrian within the lane or about to enter the lane if the overtaking and passing cannot be done safely within the lane.
(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) When reasonably necessary to leave the bicycle lane to avoid debris or other hazardous conditions.
(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.
(b) No person operating a bicycle shall leave a bicycle lane until the movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided in Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 22100) in the event that any vehicle may be affected by the movement.
Amended Sec. 5, Ch. 674, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997.
11-01-12, 09:34 PM
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11-01-12, 10:40 PM
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Also, note 21208a:
1. Has a speed parameter - i.e., it recognizes the right to stay in a regular lane at speed.
2. In doing so, it is consistent with the other part of the VC slower traffic stays right - and/or pulls over to allow 5 or more followers to get by.
3. In this case the bicycle lane is simply an extension of the "invisible" lane of slower bicycle traffic that is to stay as close as is possible to the right anyway.
1. Has a speed parameter - i.e., it recognizes the right to stay in a regular lane at speed.
2. In doing so, it is consistent with the other part of the VC slower traffic stays right - and/or pulls over to allow 5 or more followers to get by.
3. In this case the bicycle lane is simply an extension of the "invisible" lane of slower bicycle traffic that is to stay as close as is possible to the right anyway.
*Our local cops have even said in casual conversation that they aren't going to be picky about the details of the vehicle code as it applies to bikes, so long as you seem to be making an effort to comply with the general intent of the laws.
11-02-12, 04:29 PM
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Incomprehensible? Why would you wish others would share your lack of comprehension?
Deeply disquieting? Why would you wish others would find the expression of an idea to be "deeply disquieting"?
11-03-12, 08:48 AM
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All depends on the conditions at the time, under ideal conditions you may have a point, but my personally seeing motorists doing that speed in the fast lane downhill in a whiteout/blizzard/snow covered road condition was watching an act of dangerous bravado.
11-03-12, 08:57 AM
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Actually not singling anyone out in particular -- I've just noticed that when a cycling-specific investment is announced somewhere, the local cyclists seem to come out of the woodwork to complain. I'm thinking of the bikeway on the Miami Causeway and various bikelanes and sharrows.
When I was newer to cycling I would use segregated lanes wherever possible and accept that I had to stop every 100 yards to cross a side road. Now I'm faster I'm aware that firstly I'd rather not be stopping every 100 yards and secondly if I'm riding around 20mph I'd rather share space with cars doing 30 than with pedestrians doing 3 along with associated issues such as children and dogs.
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11-03-12, 02:04 PM
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