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    Bikers forced to wear reflective vests

    So in the UK, they passed a law that requires bikers to wear regulation safety vests, and there was a massive protest.

    What if they start making us wear reflective vests here in America?

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    There will also be a massive protest?!?
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    http://bikersofamerica.blogspot.com/...test-with.html

    yea, given it is for motorcycles and scooters. i just wouldn't be surprised if something like this spread to america

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    Is it really worse than making people wear seat belts?

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    I wouldn't be as mad if the regulation vests weren't so ugly though... I work in the reflective safety industry, and from my research, there is no scientific or logical reason why the vests need to be that ugly to be efficient. Reflective tape industries are in control of these standards, and make sure that the government forces roadside workers to wear vests using their design (a design that uses their tape).

    I hate lobbyists... and I hate the ANSI 107 standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reshp1 View Post
    Is it really worse than making people wear seat belts?
    Yes!! if they are gonna make me wear a safety vest, it best not be ugly as sin

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDP View Post
    I wouldn't be as mad if the regulation vests weren't so ugly though... I work in the reflective safety industry, and from my research, there is no scientific or logical reason why the vests need to be that ugly to be efficient. Reflective tape industries are in control of these standards, and make sure that the government forces roadside workers to wear vests using their design (a design that uses their tape).

    I hate lobbyists... and I hate the ANSI 107 standard.

    Maybe this'll create a market for some sort of nicer looking reflective safety vest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDP View Post
    Yes!! if they are gonna make me wear a safety vest, it best not be ugly as sin
    I use this one. http://www.rei.com/media/mm/b1917317...078ba308cd.jpg
    It's only sorta ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWPdx View Post
    Maybe this'll create a market for some sort of nicer looking reflective safety vest?
    Well to be honest, I have been trying to push for area reflective fabric, and for the designs to add more flexibility on materials, but the tape industries in control of the standards won't even listen to me, because they don't know how to make it themselves, and it does not include tape. I even had a conversation with one representative of the ANSI/ISEA 107 committee, and he told me, and i quote, "If it doesn't have reflective tape, I don't want to hear about it." I wish I had him write that to me in a documented letter.

    The regulated reflective gear is specified so that it can be visible from around half a mile away, but 1) there is rarely a section on many roads that allow you to even see that far, unless you are on a really straight highway, 2) car's won't even locate you visually until you are around 140 meters away...

    The area reflective fabric is visible from around 200+ meters away, plus it covers way more surface area on the body, plus it allows for more flexibility on more fashionable designs. Alas, regluations will never allow for it, because it is not made of reflective tape, and for that reason alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by reshp1 View Post
    I use this one. http://www.rei.com/media/mm/b1917317...078ba308cd.jpg
    It's only sorta ugly.
    haha, thanks, yea that vest isn't bad ^^ i'll check it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDP View Post
    haha, thanks, yea that vest isn't bad ^^ i'll check it out!
    But doesn't that have reflective tape on it?

    If you're willing to use readily available reflective tape, it isn't all that hard to make your own reflective vest if you have sewing skills. I don't know about the availability of reflective fabric, but I believe I've seen garments made out of it in the past.

    And honestly, I really wouldn't have a problem with it if reflective vests were required by law for night riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spld cyclist View Post
    But doesn't that have reflective tape on it?

    If you're willing to use readily available reflective tape, it isn't all that hard to make your own reflective vest if you have sewing skills. I don't know about the availability of reflective fabric, but I believe I've seen garments made out of it in the past.

    And honestly, I really wouldn't have a problem with it if reflective vests were required by law for night riding.
    Well the vest doesn't meet regulation standards, but it doesn't mean that it's not good. I haven't seen it in person yet, or tested it out, but it looks nice.

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    I'm not saying tape is bad. I like tape. My business runs off tape. It's just that it's not right to make a standard that is driven to protect the interest of certain companies, and ignore scientific evidence / field research.

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    The armed services require members to wear vests when riding a motorcycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamhenry View Post
    The armed services require members to wear vests when riding a motorcycle.
    I think it's good that people are protected by these vests, and made more visibile. I just wish people were able to have more of an option of what they can wear. This is America. If they are gonna force someone to wear a protective vest, they should also give that person a wide variety of options to choose from. I don't want no ugly gear crampin my style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDP View Post
    I think it's good that people are protected by these vests, and made more visibile. I just wish people were able to have more of an option of what they can wear. This is America. If they are gonna force someone to wear a protective vest, they should also give that person a wide variety of options to choose from. I don't want no ugly gear crampin my style.
    The problem is that there is no market for good looking safety vests. Low cost is more important to the people that are required to wear a vest. The average person couldn't care less about their appearance while digging a ditch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamhenry View Post
    The problem is that there is no market for good looking safety vests. Low cost is more important to the people that are required to wear a vest. The average person couldn't care less about their appearance while digging a ditch.

    Perhaps you are right. And I agree that low cost is more important in those situations, however those vests get dirty really fast and new vests are required to be purchased after around 2-3 washes, because the washing machine destroys them. Area reflective fabric can be much more durable to wash, while sustaining reflective functions. But then again, this could potentially hurt the reflective tape industry, which is why the reflective tape companies are working so hard to prevent anything new from entering into their market, regardless of convenience or safety.

    ANSI/ISEA 107 standard, isn't really about safety. They hide behind reasons of safety to protect their main interest, their business... which is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    Calm down. It's not going to happen here.
    Yeah, that's what everyone was saying when there was talk of outlawing online poker, but the politicians tacked the law onto the ports security bill and passed it at 1AM in the morning after most legislators had gone home for the session. Land of the free is long gone.
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    But I guess I shouldn't be complaining, since my business profits off of this standard as well. I just find the large companies annoying, because they pick on us little guys whenever they can... One time they called me out (a large company that I won't mention for legal reasons) for selling a vest through a municipal contract that "didn't meet ANSI 107 Standards." I then told them to re-test it at a laboratory, and results showed that my vest did in fact pass their ridiculous standards (ridiculous for reasons I can explain if anyone cares to know), and then I went on to call them out on one of their own vests that I found did not meet their own standards, and it in fact DID NOT PASS.

    Unfortunately, the sample of their vest that did not pass standards, mysteriously vanished off the face of the planet... conspiracy? I think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCbiker View Post
    Yeah, that's what everyone was saying when there was talk of outlawing online poker, but the politicians tacked the law onto the ports security bill and passed it at 1AM in the morning after most legislators had gone home for the session. Land of the free is long gone.
    LOL, yea... so sad... i like online poker. But anyways, I can't say that I don't want a law to be passed about making bikers wear reflective vests, because it would help my business, but I hope that in the event that something like this happens, that people would have the mind to stand up to it.

    To be real, blinkers/headlights already make bikers sufficiently visible to drivers. Reflective gear would most definitely make bikers more visible, but if reflective gear is forced to be worn, I strongly hope they will have the decency to give us a wide variety of reflective gear to choose from...

    I'll be damned if I actually have to wear one of these vests that I sell... lol

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    It would be ironic if they managed to institute such a law in PA since they undid the motorcycle helmet requirement a couple years ago. That said, I would not mind it being more common to use vests. Some of the Amish are even using them now. Once I sat down with my sewing machine and reshaped it to not be baggy/flappy it isn't so bad to wear.
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    France requires everyone walking/standing on a road to wear a safety vest. This includes motorists when they get out of their cars, for example

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    When I go on Sky Rides they make us wear their reflective tabards.

    Even if we turn up without it, they still get it out of the car and make us wear them.

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    Why not require a safety vest while having sex?
    This world is becoming too regulated!

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