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Old 02-01-13, 12:15 PM   #1
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USPS says it’s immune from local traffic laws, gets ticket

Perhaps USPS trucks are among the most aggressive vehicles on the road. More than once I got a close call from them; others may have, too.

Postal Service says it’s immune from local traffic laws

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'A government lawyer’s attempt to get dismissed nearly $700 in traffic tickets given to the U.S. Postal Service is being met with a hearty and humorous, Heck no.

In a Jan. 22 letter sent to both the city of East Cleveland, Ohio, and the company that operates the city's photo-enforcement program, Postal Service attorney Jennifer S. Breslin says two school-zone speeding citations and five red-light infractions by postal trucks in December should be ignored.

“In providing mail service across the country, the Postal Service attempts to work within local and state laws and regulations, when feasible,” wrote Breslin, after reminding “To Whom It May Concern” that postal workers promptly deliver over 200 billion pieces of mail annually.

“However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,” she continued.
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...and back to A&S per the OP's request.
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The lawyer could be right. The drivers are not immune to tickets, though. The problem is they send a ticket to the owner of the vehicle for a moving violation, which should not be done. Find out who was driving and ticket them. Sometimes government is just too lazy in doing their jobs.
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The lawyer could be right. The drivers are not immune to tickets, though. The problem is they send a ticket to the owner of the vehicle for a moving violation, which should not be done. Find out who was driving and ticket them. Sometimes government is just too lazy in doing their jobs.
Camera enforcement tickets typically are by law against the owner of the vehicle for permitting unsafe operation, not against the driver.

They're simply following the law here, no laziness involved.
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Not a smart move by the USPS lawyer claiming immunity to speed through school zones.

USPS, have fun responding to the congressional inquiries.
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Not a smart move by the USPS lawyer claiming immunity to speed through school zones.

USPS, have fun responding to the congressional inquiries.
Also, I bet the cops will start staking out the areas where the offenses occur and will ticket the actual drivers. Also also, next time a postal worker gets mugged or robbed, maybe the police will say they're immune from protecting ******bags.
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I just find it ludicrous that anyone can be immune from local traffic regulations. Local regulations are for those happen to be in that local area. Like a country, if you are in that country, you must follow the laws there. If anyone can legally violate local traffic laws, then the laws would make no sense.
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I just find it ludicrous that anyone can be immune from local traffic regulations. Local regulations are for those happen to be in that local area. Like a country, if you are in that country, you must follow the laws there. If anyone can legally violate local traffic laws, then the laws would make no sense.
Diplomatic immunity would be one area that one could circumvent local traffic laws, as long as the diplomat's home country doesn't waive the diplomat's immunity status.
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...and back to A&S per the OP's request.
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Motorist thinking they are immune from traffic laws might be a safety concern for cyclist.

What value did your post add to this thread?
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Motorist thinking they are immune from traffic laws might be a safety concern for cyclist.

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Endless unfocused whining about motorists is not my idea of bicycling advocacy.
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Not a smart move by the USPS lawyer claiming immunity to speed through school zones.

USPS, have fun responding to the congressional inquiries.
USPS is not claiming that their drivers are immune, they are clamining that they are immune from the tickets, and the laws would have been passed by Congress. The drivers should be ticketed for the moving violation.
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Also, I bet the cops will start staking out the areas where the offenses occur and will ticket the actual drivers. Also also, next time a postal worker gets mugged or robbed, maybe the police will say they're immune from protecting dooshbags.
Actually, they are immune from protecting individuals. Read the US Supreme Court majority opinion in Warren v DC.
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Camera enforcement tickets typically are by law against the owner of the vehicle for permitting unsafe operation, not against the driver.

They're simply following the law here, no laziness involved.
Yes, it's laziness. This means unsafe drivers aren't getting points for their moving violations. If the laws are written the way you say, then the red light cameras ARE just for revenue collection, and nothing else.

Interesting, in California, you don't have to identify who was driving, but the police have to prove that it's you.
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Actually, they are immune from protecting individuals. Read the US Supreme Court majority opinion in Warren v DC.
Who is "they"?
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Who is "they"?
The "police" he was referring to. "They" do not have a contract with any individual. Caroline Warren found that out the hard way when "they" screwed up.
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Not as inappropriate (in fact, uncivil) as your posts #6 and #9 in this thread.
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Seems to me, that the USPS pretty much thinks they're immune to everything. They're as bad as the phone company.
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Yes, it's laziness. This means unsafe drivers aren't getting points for their moving violations. If the laws are written the way you say, then the red light cameras ARE just for revenue collection, and nothing else.
Making it a ticket against the car means the owner can't get out of the ticket by claiming someone else was driving, as in this case, where the Post Office is responsible for the operation of its vehicles no matter which employee was driving. If the owner is a big corporation, then the laws may not have much teeth.

For ordinary people, however, a $100+ fine is a reasonably strong incentive not to get caught breaking the law, even if it doesn't add points to their license.
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It also helped to result in the eventual refutation of D.C's gun control laws - the idea being that if the police aren't on contract to protect individuals, they can't then prevent individuals from arming for defense. Warren-DC and some other similar cases are part of the under pinning of gun advocacy (Riss vs NYC is another biggie).
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Also, I bet the cops will start staking out the areas where the offenses occur and will ticket the actual drivers. Also also, next time a postal worker gets mugged or robbed, maybe the police will say they're immune from protecting dooshbags.
Not likely...East Cleveland has other problems
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Making it a ticket against the car means the owner can't get out of the ticket by claiming someone else was driving, as in this case, where the Post Office is responsible for the operation of its vehicles no matter which employee was driving. If the owner is a big corporation, then the laws may not have much teeth.

For ordinary people, however, a $100+ fine is a reasonably strong incentive not to get caught breaking the law, even if it doesn't add points to their license.
Here in California, it's a ticket to the owner. We can contest that it wasn't us, and the picture will prove that. We are also not required to identify who was driving, no matter what they say.
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