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Old 02-16-13, 09:34 PM   #51
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Thanks I will look, Thought that the cyclist fatality rate was high, careless on my part.


Edit - I see what you are saying and you are correct, however, I still doubt the post that I was replying to's assertion that pedestrians in Portland are killed at a "far higher rate" than cyclists. I would love to see data substantiating that, and if I am incorrect I will freely admit that.

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Old 02-16-13, 09:41 PM   #52
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Thanks I will look, Thought that the cyclist fatality rate was high, careless on my part.
Not a problem. It's not easy to find meaningful numbers on this stuff.
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Unless the Google Maps street view gives a false impression, it looks relatively tame, compared to the way the people in the DC-Metro region drive. The DC-Metro region is the most congested region, on the road, in the U.S., with speed limits on the main roads', 30-50mph. But with lots of 'traffic control' elements(traffic lights, stop signs, business/personal driveway cutouts)

Are you allowed to ride in the bus lane, since you are uneasy about riding in the main stream of traffic?
The bus lane is the only remotely safe lane on Broadway. The occasional person I see in another lane is only doing so to turn, and most will sooner get off at a crosswalk to accomplish as much. I would not call the section of street tame for my level of comfort, though I know DC is definitely worse. Lots of red light runners and people rushing to get to any number of area businesses. Like I said, I'll ride the street on weekends. On a week day, I won't even use the bus lane as the buses really don't give the cyclists much leeway, and if you get trapped between them and parked cars (or worse, if a car is trying to get around the bus to make a turn and not able to see you) it can get really hairy really quick. It might be tame to some, but it scares the dickens out of me most of the time, and I'm a fairly experienced rider.
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I lived in the DC area for 7 years, Rockville, College Park, and Cheverly, and I wanted to ride but never dared to try it there. Today, I'm getting back the boldness I had when I was younger, but I would still think twice before riding in those places. It's a shame, because a bike would be such a great way to be in so many parts of DC, Rockville town center, Bethesda, Alexandria, etc etc etc. If I went back today, I don't think I'd have the willpower to resist biking it.
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Thanks I will look, Thought that the cyclist fatality rate was high, careless on my part.


Edit - I see what you are saying and you are correct, however, I still doubt the post that I was replying to's assertion that pedestrians in Portland are killed at a "far higher rate" than cyclists. I would love to see data substantiating that, and if I am incorrect I will freely admit that.
I thought 20 to 100,000 was a crazy high rate...While peds are killed in higher numbers across the country...if you crunch percentages...then cyclists are more likely to be killed...because everyone is a ped...only a handful of us are cyclists! Do you get what I am saying?
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I lived in the DC area for 7 years, Rockville, College Park, and Cheverly, and I wanted to ride but never dared to try it there. Today, I'm getting back the boldness I had when I was younger, but I would still think twice before riding in those places. It's a shame, because a bike would be such a great way to be in so many parts of DC, Rockville town center, Bethesda, Alexandria, etc etc etc. If I went back today, I don't think I'd have the willpower to resist biking it.
I have no problem riding around here, as far as asserting my right to be on the road. I have never biked in Prince Georges County(College Park, Cheverly). The line between Rockville n' Gaithersburg(the town I live in, is only two miles from the old city center), is only two miles from my house.

People in the DC-Metro region drive like maniacs. There is the pervasive 'me first' attitude. Anyone going somewhere around here, of their own doing, is treated as, sub-human or less human. To borrow an apt reference made just the other day on A&S, it is hierarchical.

I routinely bike down to Bethesda, DC, and Alexandria, and only on the road.

For instance, when I go down to Alexandria(or Arlington), I will cut through the Ft. Myer Army Base that is next to Arlington National Cemetery. Because Route 1, which is more direct, is also a heavily traveled road with very few 'traffic controls'.

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The bus lane is the only remotely safe lane on Broadway. The occasional person I see in another lane is only doing so to turn, and most will sooner get off at a crosswalk to accomplish as much. I would not call the section of street tame for my level of comfort, though I know DC is definitely worse. Lots of red light runners and people rushing to get to any number of area businesses. Like I said, I'll ride the street on weekends. On a week day, I won't even use the bus lane as the buses really don't give the cyclists much leeway, and if you get trapped between them and parked cars (or worse, if a car is trying to get around the bus to make a turn and not able to see you) it can get really hairy really quick. It might be tame to some, but it scares the dickens out of me most of the time, and I'm a fairly experienced rider.
What is the speed limit on Broadway?

I understand, that you have a different comfort level, when it comes to riding in, or near traffic.

Getting 'sandwiched' between two vehicles, is definitely a hairy situation, outright. I was once watching a program on television about bike messengers, and the video showed several bike messengers 'splitting the traffic' in NYC. All I could think of was, one of them getting doored.
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Speed limit on Broadway is 35 I believe. But traffic goes at 40-45 unless it gets jammed. Denver drivers are not terrible but they are generally speeders and lots of them run red lights, and the cops just don't seem to police this at all. The buses are complicit with it as well.

The rest of my commute is around the same speed limit but nowhere near as scary.
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