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    Questions about Bike Messengers in big cities.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au0Zjn3eB9k
    Do bike messengers in big cities actually do this much?

    Is this even legal?

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    Alley cat races happen in most big cities.

    Is it legal? Absolutely not.

    Conversely, you have the alternative


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    Technically you can get a ticket for running red lights and lane splitting.
    Eventually riders do have to slow down/stop; that video had a lot of edits/cuts/
    splices where the cyclist actually slowed down or stopped. Here's mine; one
    continous take, no editng/cuts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFyXxrqWbPA

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
    Technically you can get a ticket for running red lights and lane splitting.
    Eventually riders do have to slow down/stop; that video had a lot of edits/cuts/
    splices where the cyclist actually slowed down or stopped. Here's mine; one
    continous take, no editng/cuts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFyXxrqWbPA
    Your video: The life of a rear tire. It looks quite intimidating to bike in teh city. How did you ever start doing it safely?

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    When I was 19 or 20 I bought my first bike, a Ross roadbike.
    Road around my quiet Brooklyn neighborhood. Then I got into
    motorcycles/sportbikes(Interceptors, FZR's), the bicycle went
    in the basement and was eventually given away. I worked as
    a motorcycle messenger for a while in New York city, maybe
    that's why even on the bicycle I'm used to the traffic. I'm
    constantly scanning traffic; beside me, behind, pedestrians,
    other cyclists, animals, etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hheUc-zlfiM

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    Quote Originally Posted by j814wong View Post
    Your video: The life of a rear tire. It looks quite intimidating to bike in teh city. How did you ever start doing it safely?
    Not my vid, but I've ridden in NYC and other cities. It's never safe. There is always risk, as there is riding on the road anywhere. Some situations are riskier than others. You judge the level of risk and you decide the risks you're willing to take. The way you get started is just going and doing it. Some people are more risk tolerant than others so it's an individual thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
    It's never safe. There is always risk, as there is riding on the road anywhere. Some situations are riskier than others. You judge the level of risk and you decide the risks you're willing to take. The way you get started is just going and doing it. Some people are more risk tolerant than others so it's an individual thing.
    True about ANY activity, not just bicycling. Life is never risk free, i.e. no activity is completely safe, i.e. with zero risk.
    All decisions in choosing any activity is a balancing act between risk involved (financial as well as physical) and benefit expected to be gained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
    Not my vid, but I've ridden in NYC and other cities. It's never safe. There is always risk, as there is riding on the road anywhere. Some situations are riskier than others. You judge the level of risk and you decide the risks you're willing to take. The way you get started is just going and doing it. Some people are more risk tolerant than others so it's an individual thing.
    Being safe is subjective. A cyclist is only as safe as, knowing all the traffic laws, and knowing their capabilities within those traffic laws i.e. if one can reach a speed within 10mph of the posted speed limit(20mph in a 30mph zone, etc.) and their riding capabilities within those traffic laws. Also, The attitude of some motorists'. On a two-lane blacktop, they would have no problem with another motorist going slow for some reason, just honking at them. But not trying to pass them at high speed. If a cyclist is in front of a motorist, the motorist doesn't care if they pass the cyclist at high speed, or not.
    Last edited by Chris516; 02-20-13 at 06:08 PM.

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    Safe: "Secure from threat of danger, harm, or loss."

    When you are riding on the road with motor traffic, no matter what you do, there is always the risk you'll get hit. That isn't safe. You can wear day-glo jerseys, have zillion lumen blinkies or whatever, but you can still get hit and killed. It happens too regularly around here.

    Understand and evaluate the risks, and decide for yourself what risks you're willing to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
    When I was 19 or 20 I bought my first bike, a Ross roadbike.
    Road around my quiet Brooklyn neighborhood. Then I got into
    motorcycles/sportbikes(Interceptors, FZR's), the bicycle went
    in the basement and was eventually given away. I worked as
    a motorcycle messenger for a while in New York city, maybe
    that's why even on the bicycle I'm used to the traffic. I'm
    constantly scanning traffic; beside me, behind, pedestrians,
    other cyclists, animals, etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hheUc-zlfiM
    I too, am constantly looking and listening.

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