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Old 02-15-05, 08:00 AM   #26
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The problem today is the lack of responsiblity. Back when people still had common sense and a sense of responsibility, they would take a dog like that out in the country and put a bullet in his head. A dog that bites for ANY reason (other than possibly defending itself or owner) should be put down.

That offends all of the people today that have lost touch with responsiblity. Dogs are not humans. They are animals. Dog bites, dog dies. End of story. They don't get a jury of their peers because, again people, they are not HUMAN!!!
If we followed that there would be no more dogs. All dogs bite, end of story. Dogs are property and are the responsibility of their owners.
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Old 02-15-05, 07:15 PM   #27
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If we followed that there would be no more dogs.
That would be nice.
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Old 02-15-05, 07:19 PM   #28
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That's a terrible view.
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That's a terrible view.
Spoken by a person that has been bitten several times and still allows the offending animal near children.

Hmmm
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Spoken by a person that has been bitten several times and still allows the offending animal near children.

Hmmm
Maybe you need to read my post again.
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In December, I had a harsh reminder that biting isn't the only hazard from dogs. On a club ride, on roads that are among the most popular around here for bikes, another rider and myself were riding well ahead of the group. I was right on his wheel as we approached a man, woman, and kid walking a bicycle on the shoulder of the road. What we didn't see was the rott behind them. Although the man had a leash, the dog wasn't on it, and as we approached, the dog stepped out into view, and angled toward us. I assumed the dog was going to bite, but just as we reached it, it stepped in front of my friends bike, and he hit it at close to 20 mph. A light weight df bike hitting a big dog did not happen as I expected. The bike stopped instantly, and my friend was slammed, face first, into the asphalt. He sustained a terrible gash over his eye, a fractured eye socket, bruised liver, broken bone in his hand, and many other less severe injuries. He is just now returning to riding. Of course, the dog wasn't hurt.

I carry a can of Halt, and don't need another reminder to be ready whenever I see a loose dog. Don't forget that hitting one can be worse than getting bitten.
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For all the people claiming pit bulls are dangerous to humans, it couldn't be farther from the truth for most of them. You are far more likely to be bitten by a chihuahua or a cocker (esp. if you live in the US with these "American cocker" excuses for dogs). I worked for a vet and my favorite dog EVER was a pit bull. He was dumped at the office after a fight, and had to have surgery, dressing changes, and a special wound spray. The wound spray wasn't fun, but he would let me spray him without any protest, and would always give anyone that cared a kiss. He was dog agressive, but this was as much trained as learned.
My next-door neighbor has a young pit bull(raised from a pup) and he(the dog) will barely let me come near him and there's a chain-link fence between us. Scared of strangers, I guess. He gets along really well with our dogs(mutts), however. Depends on how they're raised.

BirdDog: Hope you make a speedy recovery and do whatever you think needs to be done in that situation. I'm ready to take any animal down(man or beast) if I, or my family, get attacked, but I like to hope it'll never come to that....
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For all the people claiming pit bulls are dangerous to humans, it couldn't be farther from the truth for most of them. You are far more likely to be bitten by a chihuahua or a cocker (esp. if you live in the US with these "American cocker" excuses for dogs). I worked for a vet and my favorite dog EVER was a pit bull. He was dumped at the office after a fight, and had to have surgery, dressing changes, and a special wound spray. The wound spray wasn't fun, but he would let me spray him without any protest, and would always give anyone that cared a kiss. He was dog agressive, but this was as much trained as learned.

IMO, if you want to start getting rid of breeds the American Cocker has to be the first to go.
So, of those three breeds, if a dog was really intent on attacking you, which one would be your last choice to be attacked by?
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has this dog been a probllem with others in the same neighborhood? Seems that the owner is not the correct person to be in "control" of that dog. If this was My problem -- mine --- i'd to go to the pet store and ask if a dog is offended by an aeosol can of RAID. Or a similar product. Someting small/lightweight enough to carry along.
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Old 02-20-05, 07:28 PM   #35
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My dad's policy was 'Dog bites. Dog dies.' Our little spaniel bootsie bit a kid down the street when I was just a youngin', and I can still remember the sadness of our dad taking him to the pound to be out to sleep. (the dog, that is, not the kid.)

I have had endless run-ins with dogs both walking and riding. The local gun shop told us powerful pepper spray is most effective on dogs; for me, my attitude is the first spray goes on the dog and the secone one goes on the damn owner.

It is such a hassle getting your shots and treatment and all that; and then trying to get the bills paid by your company, their company, the owner, whatever; that you might as well just go to a lawyer and sue. Down the street from us they had a big, honestly loveable Great Dane; but the problem is he ran out across the road to attack us and our honestly Loveable Beagle. Last time I looked there is no dog there; but the owner, who's face could give any dog a run for the money, is there in all his repugnant glory. His wife, who doubles as a cow in a the moonlight, doesn;t go out in her front yard anymore...probably afraid of a drive by shooting.

I always tell my rottweiler story on these forums. The long and short of it? Two rotties chased after me when I was on my world tour in Alaska. A recreation vehicle coming from the other direction hit one and killed it instantly; and did a nice bang up job on the second one. Amen.

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Old 02-20-05, 08:49 PM   #36
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I have personally had the most trouble with German shepherds.

My boyfriend rented an apartment at a house where the owner had a couple of them. One was clearly unstable. He got more and more hostile toward me to the point where one day he jumped me from behind and bit me on the back of my thigh. Didn't break my skin. After that I'd carry a big rock or stick to hit the dog if he got too close.

Once when I was on a 24 mile day hike with some friends I was bit by a part German shepherd dog on the back of my calf. Problem was we were in the Wilderness and the guy who owned the dog clearly was the type who owned a couple of guns and was equally as unstable, so I just got the heck out of there. It was 7 miles back to the car. I have a big scar.

I am scared of dogs now. I hike with hiking poles and cross them in front of me whenever I see dogs. They and their poison oak encrusted fur stay away from me. Even the friendly ones seem to know what the sticks mean.

I've never been threatened while riding a bike so far. I am sure it would be a horrible event. I would feel very vulnerable without a stick or a rock or something. I don't even have a water bottle handy to throw. Maybe I could grab my flag pole and hit the dog with it.

I have nothing against dogs, but I don't trust them anymore.
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Old 02-20-05, 09:03 PM   #37
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You have to take into consideration the total damage done per same # of dogs. Cockers are much more likely to bite and cause more damage per 1,000 IMO.

Thte damage that can be done by a pit bull has been overrated. THey aren't any stronger than any other large breed. They are just too stupid to be scared of most things. Most of the people that will pit fight will shoot a dog on the spot that will show agression to a human. The dogs were never human agressive until the gangs took them over.
The purebred American Pit Bull was originally bred for fighting, but if properly socialized they make great pets. What most people refer to today as a pit bull is some cross bred mongrel that has had the good qualities bred out of it, and the aggression bred (or beaten) into it. My Shar-Pei didn't have a lot of wrinkles, and due to his broad head and wide jaw, was sometimes mistaken for a pit bull. Most people don't even know what a pit bull is, which is only perpetuated by the media's fondness for calling any aggressive cross breed with a muscular stance a "pit bull". That said, the individual is the problem, not the breed.
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ahh Jesus, I'm so sincerely sorry for you. Keep us posted on your recovery.
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Marge, I don't even know if this thead was serious, or just an effort to open a discussion. I don't think we've heard from the dog bite victim.
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Well I thought I'd let everyone know my status. I went to the surgeon and there's no tendon damage or serious internal damage. I have about 7 deep puncture wounds and one 2 inch gash on my calf which are healing pretty nicely. I will have battle scars but it could have been much worse. These bites were bite and releases and it looked like my leg had been ripped open. It wasn't an attack but it wasn't a nip either. If the dog was really serious it would have been much much worse.

I've been given the ok to start cycling as much as I can and can start running this week. However, the running might have to wait since my calf is still very tight and the pounding will hurt too much at this point. I have to wait for swimming until the wounds close since I swim in a public pool, but I could start swimming now. It'll probably be a month or so before I'm at the point where I can really push it. I was on crutches as of last Tuesday so the leg has made great progress over the last week.

The owners of the dog are contemplating putting the dog down since they don't trust him anymore and he will have to be pinned up at all times. We live in the country and there are dogs running everywhere which is why I wasn't so startled when the dog came after me. I did find out the dog was a full blooded lab which was very surprising to me. I'm usually chased 2 to 3 times a day while running or cycling, some good dogs some bad. It's their decision to put the dog down, not mine and I'm not going to push the matter. If I had to choose I would put the dog down without question, but it would still be a tough decision. I've had dogs my entire life and have one sitting beside me right now. All I wanted to do was to remind people to be careful, especially dog lovers like myself who might let down their guards to dogs that look like they won't bite. I would have never thought this dog would bite but I was wrong. This actually did happen so just be careful.
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My ride Sunday invovled a dog encounter. Someone had left their large black dog loose in the front yard. The dog vectored on me, and the only option was to dismount and keep the bike between myself and the dog, who was quite serious in his intention to take a chunk out of me. I'd had a stupid moment that morning, and left without my pepper spray. The only thing that ended the confrontation was the arrival of a pickup that saw the situation and put the truck between me and the dog, giving me a chance to ride away. There and then, I had to revise my view of pickup drivers.
My view of loose dogs, however, has only been reinforced. I will not leave without the spray again.
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If the dogs don't bite, does that mean you only feed them soft foods?
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I live in one of the most rural states in the lower 48. That is on a per capita bases of individuals registered inside incorporated limits. You would think there would be lots of dogs running loose. But not so. In VT if your dog is running free, it is likely to encounter a deer which it will chase. And if it is seen chasing a deer there is a very BIG chance that it, the dog not the deer, will be shot... Lots of dogs, lots of leashes. If it ain't in a pen or on a leash, you, not the dog, are liable. Seems to work here, but hey we are in the provinces.

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There's a similar discussion going on in the Recumbent thread. Here's a link:
DOGGGs Yup Woofers DOGGGS

I've already posted a recap of our recent TCBA (Tri County Bicycle Association) meeting where Hector Hernandez, a police dog trainer and Postal Employee protection trainer spoke with bike specific strategies to avoid or defend against vicious dog attacks.
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