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    Who the hell hates drivers who dont know hot to use their turn signal

    I seriously got hit by a car two times (once for this turn signal incident and once for a driver YEILDING at a STOP sign) and had numerous close calls because these idiot drivers dont know how to use their turn signals.
    Maybe its because im in NYC,
    but anyone else experience these people?
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    Even when drivers use their turn signals I generally assume that they are inaccurate anyways. Better to just assume that the driver could do anything rather than whatever his signal says. With that being said, as a cyclists I try to signal all my turns when road conditions allow it.

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    I'm an avid biker for transportation and general fitness here in NYC. But, I've also had the misfortune to drive countless hours through the city, mainly for work. It sucks. It's basically a fashion statement for drivers here not to use turn signals. Also, to take corners at speed, and to run lights that have just turned red. And we have a lot of drivers from outside the city who don't know that we don't allow "right-on-red", and drivers from other states or countries who are overwhelmed or just plain confused. And on top of that there's so much going on here that they may not have seen you at all. You'll get a better idea of what drivers are going to do by watching their behavior than by trusting their turn signals. I agree, it would be nice if people were respectful and followed the law, but that kind of thing comes with the territory here. Your best bet is to hang back a little and be sure of the cars around you before bombing through an intersection, and always be ready to slow down before you get to potential problem areas. Don't get hooked, doored, or pinched, and you should be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambo2124 View Post
    Maybe its because im in NYC,
    That would be the root of your problem.
    what is this 'road tax' you speak of?

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    Compliance is fairly mixed here in Michigan. Some drivers seem to never use them at all, some are fine, one of the biggest irritations is the people who put their turn signals on halfway through a turn, or when they've already started to change lanes. What the hell is that supposed to accomplish?
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    I have a hard time with people yielding their right of way to me. Maybe its the overly friendly drivers or ones brow beaten by kids not riding correctly, but I HATE it when I'm at a stop sign, the road in front of me has no stop....and people stop so I can cross. Really? I'm at a stop sign and you stop for me? I usually wait, mostly because when THEY yield their right away, someone else might not. I find it quite annoying especially when if they had gone by, I'd be across already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatherAlabaster View Post
    ... It's basically a fashion statement for drivers here not to use turn signals. Also, to take corners at speed, and to run lights that have just turned red. ...
    Who the heck do they think they are, cyclists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatherAlabaster View Post
    I'm an avid biker for transportation and general fitness here in NYC. But, I've also had the misfortune to drive countless hours through the city, mainly for work. It sucks. It's basically a fashion statement for drivers here not to use turn signals. Also, to take corners at speed, and to run lights that have just turned red. And we have a lot of drivers from outside the city who don't know that we don't allow "right-on-red", and drivers from other states or countries who are overwhelmed or just plain confused. And on top of that there's so much going on here that they may not have seen you at all. You'll get a better idea of what drivers are going to do by watching their behavior than by trusting their turn signals. I agree, it would be nice if people were respectful and followed the law, but that kind of thing comes with the territory here. Your best bet is to hang back a little and be sure of the cars around you before bombing through an intersection, and always be ready to slow down before you get to potential problem areas. Don't get hooked, doored, or pinched, and you should be ok.

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    great post I could relate a lot to it : )

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    That would be the root of your problem.
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    Since I don't much trust turn signals as accurate predictors of vehicle direction changes the lack of them poses few problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
    Who the heck do they think they are, cyclists?

    I know, right? Rabidly dumb behavior is my prerogative!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Zing my friend, zing.

    And salutations from the south.
    I need to take some vacation time in Southern Idaho. Traveled through but haven't really had the time to enjoy.
    what is this 'road tax' you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambo2124 View Post
    I seriously got hit by a car two times (once for this turn signal incident and once for a driver YEILDING at a STOP sign) and had numerous close calls because these idiot drivers dont know how to use their turn signals.
    Maybe its because im in NYC,
    but anyone else experience these people?
    I don't even look for their turn signals. I watch their driving to gain idea of what they are doing. Specifically, The direction they turn the front wheels. I also look at the movement of the vehicle. For example, to avoid being left-hooked by someone trying to make a left turn, I let them know I see them, and will not budge, while maintaining speed. Because, I don't want some moron to suddenly try to cut me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    For example, to avoid being left-hooked by someone trying to make a left turn, I let them know I see them, and will not budge, while maintaining speed. Because, I don't want some moron to suddenly try to cut me off.
    How do you let motorists know you "will not budge while maintaining speed" when they make a sudden left turn in front of you? By crashing into the side of their car at full speed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    How do you let motorists know you "will not budge while maintaining speed" when they make a sudden left turn in front of you? By crashing into the side of their car at full speed?
    That part is surely ridiculous, but watching their speed is very usefull, of course. Has kept me out of harms way quite a few times. But then, I also slowed down, ready for braking.

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    I think you need to let them do their thing and watch first before entering the intersection. Or just go behind them.

    I learned a long time ago that blind faith was a band with a very risque album cover.

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    I find the use of turn signals, in general, is inversely related to the price of the vehicle. They never seem to work on Audis and BMWs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    How do you let motorists know you "will not budge while maintaining speed" when they make a sudden left turn in front of you? By crashing into the side of their car at full speed?
    By staying in the left tire track, or riding the line. Because, My experience has been, by being further out in the lane, and maintaining speed i.e. 20mph in a 30mph zone; when I know they are behind me, tells them, I know they are behind me, and to not try to pass me on the road in question with the road's limitations(unless it is a four-lane road). I do this, remembering what (former)Dr. Christopher Thompson pulled out in L.A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    By staying in the left tire track, or riding the line. Because, My experience has been, by being further out in the lane, and maintaining speed i.e. 20mph in a 30mph zone; when I know they are behind me, tells them, I know they are behind me, and to not try to pass me on the road in question with the road's limitations(unless it is a four-lane road). I do this, remembering what (former)Dr. Christopher Thompson pulled out in L.A.
    How does that help you "avoid being left-hooked by someone trying to make a left turn, [when you] let them know [you] see them, and will not budge, while maintaining speed. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    How does that help you "avoid being left-hooked by someone trying to make a left turn, [when you] let them know [you] see them, and will not budge, while maintaining speed. "
    When there is a left-turn, which I would also be intending to make, along with the motorist behind me. I would get into the center of the lane, before I start to make the turn, keeping the center of the turn. Using my road position to make it clear, not just what I was doing. But also, what I didn't want them to do.

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    Just stay on the side of the road and use the intersection. Going there by not going there. Nobody wants you in the middle of their streets, not here and especially not the police. Wait for traffic to break or use the crosswalks when they stop.

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