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    Google Glass - another thing to worry about.

    It's hands free. I can imagine that some will think it's ok to use while driving. The article plays up the privacy issue, but the real worry is safety.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/te...keep-out.html?

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    If it controls navigation, phone, radio/stereo and all the other crap that people currently look away from the road to do via HUD and voice commands, I don't see the problem.

    Military jets and some cars already use heads-up displays precisely because they allow you to see data without taking your eyes off the road/sky.

    People already screw with stuff while riding, and it kills a lot of people - mainly when they take their eyes off the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    If it controls navigation, phone, radio/stereo and all the other crap that people currently look away from the road to do via HUD and voice commands, I don't see the problem.

    Military jets and some cars already use heads-up displays precisely because they allow you to see data without taking your eyes off the road/sky.

    People already screw with stuff while riding, and it kills a lot of people - mainly when they take their eyes off the road.
    I have a feeling that the average fighter pilot is far better trained than the average driver.

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    People eating while driving has become a bigger issue for me lately. Twice recently, I've had close calls with people looking in the fast food bag rather than at the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    I have a feeling that the average fighter pilot is far better trained than the average driver.
    Yes, but heads-up displays have been included as safety features in a few cars for probably 10 years. I don't see how having the data in front of your face instead of having to take your eyes off the road can be detrimental, given that people WILL screw with their toys either way.
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    This ISN'T a TOOL -- it's a TOY. And America has proven too many times that it isn't grown-up enough for the toys we already HAVE, we don't need MORE. New tech for its own sake is just silly.

    NOW, let the strawmen and torches begin....

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    Way to many tools ride bike toys.
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    Just plain stupid!!! Even more of a reason to 'take the lane'. Because some jerk behind the wheel, wants to have the latest technology at their fingertips. Instead of keeping their hands on the steering wheel.

    A HUD in a fighter jet is great. But a HUD in a car is just plain stupid!!! It will just make it easier for motorists' to kill cyclists' and get away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    This ISN'T a TOOL -- it's a TOY. And America has proven too many times that it isn't grown-up enough for the toys we already HAVE, we don't need MORE. New tech for its own sake is just silly...
    +1 and with each new toy, motorist pay less attention to driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    New tech for its own sake is just silly.
    Actually, it's not just silly. It's also totally unsustainable. Mother can't afford it. The party's almost over.
    "What if we fail to stop the erosion of cities by automobiles?. . . In that case, we Americans will hardly need to ponder a mystery that has troubled men for millennia: What is the purpose of life? For us, the answer will be clear, established and for all practical purposes indisputable: The purpose of life is to produce and consume automobiles."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    +1 and with each new toy, motorist pay less attention to driving.
    Yup. Cyclists, too.

    I was making a right on a green light, a block from my house, the other day, when a middle-aged, pudgy (like me) roadie blew through right in front of me, having run the red while talking on his cellphone.

    I yelled at him, reflexively, and he responded with the usual obscenitites.

    Serious unplugging while using the roads is called for.
    "What if we fail to stop the erosion of cities by automobiles?. . . In that case, we Americans will hardly need to ponder a mystery that has troubled men for millennia: What is the purpose of life? For us, the answer will be clear, established and for all practical purposes indisputable: The purpose of life is to produce and consume automobiles."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalliergo View Post
    Yup. Cyclists, too.

    I was making a right on a green light, a block from my house, the other day, when a middle-aged, pudgy (like me) roadie blew through right in front of me, having run the red while talking on his cellphone.

    I yelled at him, reflexively, and he responded with the usual obscenitites.

    Serious unplugging while using the roads is called for.
    While the Bay Area and LA have had the most cell phone cyclist I have seen, Honolulu is starting to get it's share. Cell phone cycling has got to be one of the dumbest things a cyclist can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jseis View Post
    Way to many tools ride bike toys.
    GOOD one!

    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    +1 and with each new toy, motorist pay less attention to driving.
    I would think that, sooner or later, that % of attention would reach zero, then we'd all be screwed -- but I used to think IQ had a bottom limit, too....

    Quote Originally Posted by kalliergo View Post
    Actually, it's not just silly. It's also totally unsustainable. Mother can't afford it. The party's almost over.
    And I'm not cleaning up afterwards!

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    I think Google Glasses are great. I really dream about cycling glasses with HUD that displays my current speed, distance, cadence, heart rate, inclination, shows my navigation aids in an augmented reality manner, maybe even my current airspeed, incoming calls (so I can decide if I should answer it or not) and (pictographic) weather prognosis for 1..3 hours. Because it somewhat bothers me that I have to turn my head 90 degrees downwards to take a glance at my cycle computer. My dream cycle glasses would also use some technology to change the color and transparency of the lenses on the fly - clear white for low light, amber for fog, black for sunshine etc. And infrared overlay for night riding would be awesome to avoid those ninjas

    I also think that HUDs for cars are practical as long as they won't be used for Facebook and Twitter, but to display relevant information (speed, navigation, traffic and weather (jams, black ice warnings etc) info, who's calling you). They're used on jet fighter just for that - to improve the pilot's situational awareness, and I don't see any reasons why they couldn't be used for that on cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    This ISN'T a TOOL -- it's a TOY.
    I think the same of smartphones in general and GPS on bikes. Most of the equipment on a modern car isn't really necessary. I still maintain that it won't increase the amount of crap that people are trying to do while driving or riding a bike, it will just make it so they don't have to take their eyes off the road to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    I think the same of smartphones in general and GPS on bikes. Most of the equipment on a modern car isn't really necessary. I still maintain that it won't increase the amount of crap that people are trying to do while driving or riding a bike, it will just make it so they don't have to take their eyes off the road to do it.

    Regardless of where one's eyes are pointed, this device still going to take away necessary brain computing power that could have been used to spot that pedestrian in the crosswalk, or cyclist on the road. It's still a distraction plain and simple.

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    Actually, I can't wait to have a pair for riding my bike!
    My speculation was that it applies to some degree in cycling, and I used the previous proof as my reasoning, but I can't prove how exactly it applies to it and to what degree. That, I have admitted, is speculation based on reasoning, but not at this point provable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Yes, but heads-up displays have been included as safety features in a few cars for probably 10 years. I don't see how having the data in front of your face instead of having to take your eyes off the road can be detrimental, given that people WILL screw with their toys either way.
    Let's see, HUDs in jets and cars display information about the condition of the jet or car... slightly distracting, but probably no more so than gazing at the dashboard gauges. On the other hand google glass... the user can be looking at anything... including streaming porn. I suspect streaming porn is a bit more distracting than a number telling you your current speed.

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    I wouldn't characterize it as another thing, just a different thing. Whatever the glasses are being used for, it's better than doing the same with a cell phone or on the dash. For one, the image in the glasses is conjugated at infinity, so no need to change your eye focus between that and the view of the road (as are heads-up displays). And it's in the same direction as the road rather than in your lap. It's just a superior way of combining data and driving.

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    Distracted driving is the issue. These days far too many people see driving time as lost time and want to fill it with something. In short they're doing everything in their cars except driving. Look at modern car ads. They don't sell cars any more, just the technology (aka gadgets) they're packed with.

    States are reacting to accident analysis data with a variety of specific laws such as cell phone bans, but these miss the point. The issue is distracted (by anything) driving, and the solution isn't tickets, but hefty fines, and/or the loss of deductable protection if one has an accident while distracted, ie. drinking coffee, doing makeup, texting, reading the newspaper, and so on. Car companies are also reacting, with many now including lockouts on many tech features as long as the car is in motion.

    On the bright side, much of this will eventually become moot, as more cars come with collision avoidance systems. The good ones are always alert, and do a great job spotting pedestrians and bicycles. I'm a bit curious how they'll be with more complex vectors such as a bike coming from the side, but things like this are a high priority on the developers' agenda.

    Right now, we don't need more technology, just more driver education and more driver (financial) responsibility.
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    I'm not saying that Google Glass will never be used for anything but information about the vehicle or environment. My point is that people are ALREADY distracted by everything from their GPS to their phone to their radio to a laptop in the seat next to them, and thousands of people are injured or killed by people screwing around with toys NOW. I see Google Glass as more of an interface to these devices than a whole new thing on its own. I haven't seen any indication that it does anything that isn't something that people already try to use in cars. It does allow them to use these devices while still at least having their eyes in the right direction.

    Maybe it'll be a wash - some people will be more distracted, some people will be as distracted but at least still able to notice and re-direct their attention of something's happening in front of them.

    In a better world, people would just pay attention to the most important task at hand, that of navigating the car safely. But that's not the world we live in. The only hope for that, really, is self-driving cars. Can't happen soon enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    ... My point is that people are ALREADY distracted by everything from their GPS to their phone to their radio to a laptop in the seat next to them, and thousands of people are injured or killed by people screwing around with toys NOW. I see Google Glass as more of an interface to these devices than a whole new thing on its own. I haven't seen any indication that it does anything that isn't something that people already try to use in cars. It does allow them to use these devices while still at least having their eyes in the right direction....
    I agree. We have to stop blaming things for all our problems, and find ways to get people to act more responsibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    I'm not saying that Google Glass will never be used for anything but information about the vehicle or environment. My point is that people are ALREADY distracted by everything from their GPS to their phone to their radio to a laptop in the seat next to them, and thousands of people are injured or killed by people screwing around with toys NOW. I see Google Glass as more of an interface to these devices than a whole new thing on its own. I haven't seen any indication that it does anything that isn't something that people already try to use in cars. It does allow them to use these devices while still at least having their eyes in the right direction.

    Maybe it'll be a wash - some people will be more distracted, some people will be as distracted but at least still able to notice and re-direct their attention of something's happening in front of them.

    In a better world, people would just pay attention to the most important task at hand, that of navigating the car safely. But that's not the world we live in. The only hope for that, really, is self-driving cars. Can't happen soon enough for me.
    The problem comes down to priorities... far too many drivers do not consider driving the most important task at hand. These drivers are sitting comfortably in their rolling living rooms and want to be entertained, and feel that driving is so easy, they can multitask... so they listen to the radio, eat, converse with others in the car or via phone, and now they want to browse the net while driving... Yeah their most important task is entertaining themselves. Driving is way down the list.

    Oh and just how well do folks multitask... Terribly... according to this study.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/brain-...173621758.html


    In fact, multitasking is a misnomer. In most situations, the person juggling e-mail, text messaging, Facebook and a meeting is really doing something called “rapid toggling between tasks,” and is engaged in constant context switching.

    ...the distraction of an interruption, combined with the brain drain of preparing for that interruption, made our test takers 20 percent dumber. That’s enough to turn a B-minus student (80 percent) into a failure (62 percent).

    ... those who can’t resist the lure of doing two things at once are “suckers for irrelevancy.” There is some evidence that we’re not just suckers for that new text message, or addicted to it; it’s actually robbing us of brain power, too.
    Multitask at not just your own risk... while driving, you are also doing it at the risk of harming others. Your brain just ain't there.
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    Google glass.......Does it work anything like beer goggles?......
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    And because most laws are not prescient, this device was not anticipated and thus not banned by most state laws. Hey, I'm not texting, it's hands free, what's the problem, officer?

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