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hagen2456 05-29-13 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 15680902)
See impressions of Copenhagen from a different Portlander and lots of Copenhagen cycling photos at:
http://bikeportland.org/2013/05/28/p...penhagen-87422
and
http://bikeportland.org/2013/05/28/a...-streets-87367

The photos showing the narrow street with a bike lane on one side (because it's a one-way street where cars are not allowed to go all through, and with bike traffic in both directions)... that's a good example of what NOT to do. The street has not been traffic calmed effectively, and lots of drivers rat race through it. One of my kids was almost hit there, a few years ago. There's still a lot to learn from the Dutch.

hagen2456 05-29-13 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 15680904)
Haaah! Aaaaahaaa! It IS an anti bike lane conspiracy! I knew it!

I road "cycletracks" in CPH where repeated paving had caused the curb to almost disappear. But anyways, when people in the USA build cycle tracks they do not build these types of facilities. These "cycle tracks" are in road facilities with a small curb that do not have the kind of intersection problems that Heine was criticizing. I can't think of a single example of this kind of facility in the USA.

I'm not sure I get what you mean, but we do have both separated and non-separated bike paths. The difference is minimal, as parking is not allowed closer than, like, 30 m from the intersections (and in some cases more). There are a few nasty exceptions and, yes, I've had to use my brakes there a few times. This, for instance, is a combined bike path and parking lot, and I HATE it: https://maps.google.dk/?ll=55.672061...12,107.31,,0,0

And right next to the town hall, too :eek:

spare_wheel 05-29-13 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hagen2456 (Post 15681333)
I'm not sure I get what you mean

The first part was a joke.

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This, for instance, is a combined bike path and parking lot, and I HATE it: https://maps.google.dk/?ll=55.672061...12,107.31,,0,0
Allowing parking close to intersections is the norm here.

http://janheine.files.wordpress.com/...arate_view.jpg

http://bikeportland.org/wp-content/u...5/cully430.jpg

Bekologist 05-29-13 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 15681525)
The first part was a joke.

This entire thread is a joke.

it's not a smackdown, its a surrender.

did you notice, Jan thinks bikelanes appropriate on roads, but only 30mph and below.

Extrapolating and by doing simple math, for traffic speeds at 30 miles an hour and above, Jan Heine calls for full traffic separation, and indeed, he suggests it is his 'first choice always' if it can be done well.

I bet you missed those crucial bits. which aren't jokes, just the pathetic, quixotic panderings by a confused randonneur. Wow- Jan feels comfortable riding in - next to - 30mph traffic.

In actuality, he's just the type of rider Seattle's path network is hoping to cater to- the traffic adverse rider.

spare_wheel 05-29-13 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bekologist (Post 15681639)
did you notice, Jan thinks...

sigh...

Bekologist 05-29-13 04:21 PM

what a troll.

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Originally Posted by jan heine
Painted bike lane

On streets where the speed differential between cars and bicycles is relatively small.
Speed limit must be below 30 mph.


unterhausen 05-29-13 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bekologist (Post 15681747)
what a troll.

thread is done. Thanks for playing folks, please keep it civil in other threads.


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