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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
    how would it be any different on the street vs the bike lane? Self centered (aka Idiot) drivers abound. I have seen a lot of close calls on 2 lane streets when driver in left lane stops for cross walk, the person behind them switches to the right lane, not seeing the people in the cross walk.
    That's in the CVC about passing a vehicle stopped at a cross walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    That's in the CVC about passing a vehicle stopped at a cross walk.
    How many motorists read, understand and obey Vehicle Code... my take is that most motorists tend to make up their own rules and stick to long held bad habits... and most of the time collision avoidance is due to not good driving habits, but due to bold lines, lights, and the limiting nature of our automotive centric streets. I would venture that far more cyclists here on A&S are more familiar with vehicle codes than the average motorist. Motorists have no incentive to learn or brush up on vehicle codes.... many states renew licences through the mail by paying fees. Cyclists being vulnerable, over time are incentivized to learn about vehicle code, if they contine as adult cyclists.

    Of course that all said, we all know of "ninja cyclists" who flaunt law and use bicycles' narrow profile and manuverability to sneak through traffic. (teens on small wheel bikes are especially adept at this).

    So bottom line, often motorists are driven by a selfish need to get where they need to go, NOW. Cyclists have the same desire, but also have self preservation as a goal. Motorists feel protected by their vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
    how would it be any different on the street vs the bike lane? Self centered (aka Idiot) drivers abound. I have seen a lot of close calls on 2 lane streets when driver in left lane stops for cross walk, the person behind them switches to the right lane, not seeing the people in the cross walk.
    A friend of the family killed a little old lady that way. Car ahead of him stopped, he goes around on the right just as she steps out from in front of the car that was nice enough to stop for her. Scooped her up like a deer onto the hood and then through the windshield into his lap. Cops figured he was shook up enough and learned his lesson, I don't think he even got a ticket, I know there wasn't a trial for manslaughter or anything.

    My least favorite part of my commute right now has the same hazard. 35+MPH descent for several blocks, the couple of lights on it are always green, traffic moving about the same speed as me in the bike lane, until they stand on the brakes to let the cute college girls use the crosswalks. Now that the weather is nice, inevitably I've got a pace line forming up behind me that I have to worry about ploughing into the back of me when I have to brake hard because the college kids see the cars stop and step out into the street despite a pack of cyclists bearing down on them at speed.
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    I think we're beginning to see a pattern here.

    Bike lanes are kryptonic to ordinarily traffic savvy cyclists. Then, if anything untoward happens there's a tendency to play a blame the lane game, i.e. "nearly got hozed in bikelane" rather than an exploration of the traffic dynamics that led up to the conflict.

    Riding 35mph downhill in a crowded university district between parked cars and motorists, for example, and expecting pedestrians to NOT step out in front of you.

    Riding like that, a bright front strobe and a whistle might help with the pedestrians, but doesn't mitigate the underlying issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    Of course that all said, we all know of "ninja cyclists" who flaunt law and use bicycles' narrow profile and manuverability to sneak through traffic.
    does that remind the OP of anyone?

    I think the scenario described in the original post shows a rider taking advantage of the stripes on a road to advance on stopped traffic, then failed to exercise due caution approaching the head of the line at a spot the pavement allowed the second motorist room to move around.

    like a couple of other posters have mentioned, passing stopped traffic on its right always merits caution, esp as described in the original post.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaliergo
    As for the common passing-left-turning-traffic-on-the-right procedure, almost nobody in America hesitates to do so, whether it requires leaving the main roadway, using a paved or unpaved shoulder, or not. It's SOP.

    The lesson for cyclists is the same in both cases: Passing traffic that may move right, on the right, is dangerous.
    It's SOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    I am surprised you took the time to comment on my humdrum experience.
    You criticized a "bike facility". Therefore Bek will rant and dribble until he gets tired. It doesn't matter how rotten the "facility" is, or that you can be a reflective, competent cyclist... YOU CRITICISED A FACILITY. Monster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic Zero View Post
    A friend of the family killed a little old lady that way. Car ahead of him stopped, he goes around on the right just as she steps out from in front of the car that was nice enough to stop for her. Scooped her up like a deer onto the hood and then through the windshield into his lap. Cops figured he was shook up enough and learned his lesson, I don't think he even got a ticket, I know there wasn't a trial for manslaughter or anything.

    My least favorite part of my commute right now has the same hazard. 35+MPH descent for several blocks, the couple of lights on it are always green, traffic moving about the same speed as me in the bike lane, until they stand on the brakes to let the cute college girls use the crosswalks. Now that the weather is nice, inevitably I've got a pace line forming up behind me that I have to worry about ploughing into the back of me when I have to brake hard because the college kids see the cars stop and step out into the street despite a pack of cyclists bearing down on them at speed.
    Dude - if the pedestrians are using a crosswalk they have no legal obligation to avoid stepping out into the crosswalk when a cyclist (or a whole pack of them) is bearing down at speed. I can certainly understand your worries about you braking for the pedestrians in the crosswalk and yielding to them (as you should when they are in the crosswalk) and getting slammed into from behind by another cyclist or more then one who do not respect pedestrian right of way in a crosswalk as they should. No reason you should get rear-ended by other cyclists for doing your part and following the rules of the road but that is not the pedestrians fault that is the fault of the other cyclists who were following too close and/or stubbornly refusing to slow down that run into the back of you not the fault of the pedestrians legally using the right of way cross walk.

    I understand your concern but lets place the blame where it legal belongs not on those legally using the right of way just because they dare to do so, that is the same kind of "how dare they actually take the right of way they are legally entitled too, don't they know it inconveniences me and I'm bigger then them and can run them down if I want too - and I just might do so" attitude that a lot of motorists have about cyclists that smells to high heaven.

    Added note: How I handle situations like this is to clearly give the "STOP" left hand down hand sign before I hit the brakes to help keep from getting clobbered from behind. I realize there isn't always time to do that but whenever possible I try to use it and it has kept me from getting rear-ended a couple times. A bright active tech. brake light (comes on when you hit your brakes and has a switch attached to the brake levers) would be even better but I only have one of those rigged up on one of my e-bikes not on all of my bikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
    I have seen a lot of close calls on 2 lane streets when driver in left lane stops for cross walk, the person behind them switches to the right lane, not seeing the people in the cross walk.
    Classic scenario...

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    Quote Originally Posted by razrskutr View Post
    you criticised a facility. Monster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    the pic with traffic suggests it is a door zone bike lane.

    There are other kinds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    Van ahead needs to turn left on 1-lane road. Truck behind him decides to use bike lane as passing lane. I am in the bike lane. Get the picture?

    I have been riding with brigh@$$ed flashing front light day and night since last summer. I think that saved me this time. Passing truck hit the brakes almost instantly after entering the bike lane. I was riding far left in the bike lane out of the door zone. He had me if he wanted me. There was nothing i could have done at that instant.

    Bike lanes are cool but we are never safe. Sometimes they offer a dangerous sense of false security.
    Two 'incidents' came to mind when I saw this

    1. The 'incident' that was mentioned here the other day, about the cyclist that was killed. While riding in a bike lane, by one motorist that was 'racing' with her boyfriend.(http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Area-Fatality)

    2. When I was passed on a two-lane 30mph road(there is no bike lane on this road), by a motorist that didn't like a cyclist being in front of him. So he decided to try to 'teach me a lesson'. He failed miserably.

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