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Old 05-31-13, 05:27 PM   #26
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"New York’s bikes will also have GPS units on board, allowing for location of missing bikes."
Does that mean the Citi Bikes are not presently equipped with GPS units, but will/might get them at some time in the future?
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Old 05-31-13, 05:39 PM   #27
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I believe the FAQ was put together before the bikes came out so they had to say "will have". I believe with crime the way it is in NYC that if they didn't put in GPS, these bikes would end up in people's homes on a permanent basis.

I haven't personally looked at the bikes to know for sure, but if I was designing these & had to put a dynamo powered light on it to meet NYC laws, I would just install a hidden GPS that also feeds off the dynamo. It would only make sense. I also thought they found the bike a bit quicker than they would normally find a stolen bike in NYC, hence why I searched to see if a GPS was involved.
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Old 05-31-13, 06:06 PM   #28
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Local (non NYC) biking color does not equate to NYC biking conditions. Denver, Chattanooga are not equivalents. If you add maniac taxi drivers, salmon-riding deliverymen, pedestrians who do not abide traffic rules and "dare me" attitudes - you're getting close.

An ambulance chasing law firm advertising cycling-related services on television suggests that they've done their homework regarding possible / future litigation related to putting more inexperienced riders on the street. The assumption is that non-riders, casual riders, or others will use the service. And as a guy who rides the city - it ain't no cakewalk. Let the games begin.
I'd wager to say the number of incidents that come from bike share users will not actually eclipse those involving traditional cyclists, given the high numbers that flock to the GWB and into the city on the weekends. Even for experienced cyclists, Central Park is a madhouse on the weekends, with all the "weekend warriors" getting their stress from the week out. I would imagine the most popular kiosks will be those by traditional tourist destinations, which are traditionally near parks.
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Old 06-01-13, 04:18 AM   #29
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I'd wager to say the number of incidents that come from bike share users will not actually eclipse those involving traditional cyclists, given the high numbers that flock to the GWB and into the city on the weekends. Even for experienced cyclists, Central Park is a madhouse on the weekends, with all the "weekend warriors" getting their stress from the week out. I would imagine the most popular kiosks will be those by traditional tourist destinations, which are traditionally near parks.
I tend to agree. It'll be interesting to see the data over a three-month span. I'm going to try to get to a Citibike kiosk this weekend and have a look at usage. So far, have not seen anyone on one of these bikes.
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I tend to agree. It'll be interesting to see the data over a three-month span. I'm going to try to get to a Citibike kiosk this weekend and have a look at usage. So far, have not seen anyone on one of these bikes.
Where are you located? Presumably nowhere near a Citibike kiosk, so why would you see anyone on a Citi Bike?
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Where are you located? Presumably nowhere near a Citibike kiosk, so why would you see anyone on a Citi Bike?
Do Citibikers only ride around the kiosk?
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Do Citibikers only ride around the kiosk?
Probably not far from one in Midtown or Lower Manhattan and the portions of Brooklyn where they are available to be rented and returned.

Not so far that it requires the effort of "try[ing] to get to a Citibike kiosk this weekend."
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Where are you located? Presumably nowhere near a Citibike kiosk, so why would you see anyone on a Citi Bike?
Stop trying to bait me dude. Gets boring.
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I tend to agree. It'll be interesting to see the data over a three-month span. I'm going to try to get to a Citibike kiosk this weekend and have a look at usage. So far, have not seen anyone on one of these bikes.

My current commute is from W. 88th to Brooklyn via the west side path, 10 th street to 2nd ave and over the Manhattan Bridge and then a stretch through Brooklyn and I've averaged seeing roughly a dozen on each ride. 1/2 to a 1/3 of them on the W.S. path and the other 1/2 on the Manhattan Bridge and the rest crossing town or over here in Brooklyn. Today I probably saw twice the usual number- 25 or so.

I'm surprised to see so many late at night as I do. I commute home around 10:30 at night. Also, surprised to see as many with helmets as there are. More during the week than on the weekend but still many of them seem to bring their own helmet.
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I tend to agree. It'll be interesting to see the data over a three-month span. I'm going to try to get to a Citibike kiosk this weekend and have a look at usage. So far, have not seen anyone on one of these bikes.
I have seen lots of people on them in Brooklyn and Lower Manhattan. Which makes sense, because that's where the kiosks are. I have one 2 blocks from my apartment (and several more within 5 blocks). Same for my office, except even closer (I'm near Bowling Green).
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I've averaged seeing roughly a dozen on each ride. 1/2 to a 1/3 of them on the W.S. path and the other 1/2 on the Manhattan Bridge and the rest crossing town or over here in Brooklyn. Today I probably saw twice the usual number- 25 or so.
Let me guess: they all had a smile on their faces?
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Stop trying to bait me dude. Gets boring.
Got it; you have been nowhere near where the bikes might be expected to be used and are shocked, shocked that you haven't seen one yet. Does that explain your "observation" which differs from the other posters?
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Let me guess: they all had a smile on their faces?
Ha, ha! Oddly enough a fair share of them did look bizarrely glazed over with a gleeful look on their faces. I'll try to snap a photo of one tomorrow because its nothing without photos!
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IMO, more riders (unseasoned or not) = more visibility and awareness. I am happy about the bike program.
I am inclined to agree.
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The trend continues here in BF's (and elsewhere) to ascribe particular behaviors, usually negative, to a group, which may not, as a group, have all that much in common.

In this case, it's the people who choose to participate in the Citibike program. Already the list of these characteristics that are flying around are:

-They're a bunch of incompetent, inexperienced cyclists.

-They're all clueless tourists awed by Manhattan and lulled into a lemming like calm by bike lanes, paths and hordes of similarly clueless cyclists.

-They're a bunch of red light running, law breaking renegades.

-They're idealistic, yuppie, anti-car environmentalists with an axe to grind and a self serving agenda.

The fact of the matter is they may or may not be any or all of these things. I know that I, a cyclist who rides virtually everywhere I go on a bike and have done so as an adult for 43+ years, used the Barclay bikes while I was in London. I was there for something work related and using them to commute but I suppose I could have been classified as a "tourist" but certainly not, IMO, "inexperienced".

The people I've seen on these bikes seem relatively responsible. They seem to be following traffic laws and riding as well as anyone else on a bike in the city. During the weekdays I've seen lots of the bikes obviously being used by people heading to work. Commuting over the Manhattan Bridge from Brooklyn in business attire and often providing their own helmet.

The program is just over week old in NYC. It might be worthwhile to hold judgements and criticisms until its been in place long enough to see if any of the assumptions being thrown about have even an ounce of legitimacy.
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Got it; you have been nowhere near where the bikes might be expected to be used and are shocked, shocked that you haven't seen one yet. Does that explain your "observation" which differs from the other posters?
Stop trying to bait me from your little perch. Gets boring.
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Probably not far from one in Midtown or Lower Manhattan and the portions of Brooklyn where they are available to be rented and returned.

Not so far that it requires the effort of "try[ing] to get to a Citibike kiosk this weekend."
New find: I saw one on 86th street and 2nd avenue this evening. The guy was heading east, and the traffic was slow, so he may pay overtime charge to get back to a midtown station.

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