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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    MAN!

    your videos sure have gotten boring now that new orleans is making your city a nicer place to bike.

    the pedestrians on the MUP presented that much of an issue? wow, man- such danger and trepidation you now face.
    Though I wouldn't put it that way, I must say that at least on the day the video was made, there was more than enough room for going quite fast - at least a good deal faster than shown in the video. Sure, MUPs are not exactly ideal for high speed cycling, because you'll inevitable have pedestrians all over the place (that's also the case in Copenhagen, where people really should know better) but this one seems all right - if pedestrian traffic isn't any denser.

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    This vid was shot on a Tuesday afternoon. Weekends are worse.

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    I am disappoint.

    Plz do over @25mph to SLAYER!

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    Part of me wants to but my self preservation instinct is too strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    Part of me wants to but my self preservation instinct is too strong.
    Now you are showing some intelligence by understanding that the road with motorist is much safer to commute on than a MUP with pedestrians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    This vid was shot on a Tuesday afternoon. Weekends are worse.
    if you go to a MUP on the weekends, you're asking for trouble.
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    I don't have any answers besides ones already mentioned (like more markings and bike only signs)., but I feel your frustration. The MUP here is just as bad although we don't have a bike lane.

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    Joey, I saw your post about another path that's set up identically, and works very well...and then I look at this again.

    Wow. American Anarchy In Action. Populated by "Limits are for the Limited", and "Rules are for OTHER People, I'm Above That".

    This is a true, and unfortunate, depiction of American society today -- a pervasive attitude of "it's a free country, NOBODY can tell me what I can & can't do!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Now you are showing some inelegance by understanding that the road with motorist is much safer to commute on than a MUP with pedestrians.
    OMG, we agree on something.

    Yes, MUP is code for a pedestrian park path where skate boarding, roller skating, and low speed cycling (mainly for children) is tolerated. It is not a place for any semi serious adult cyclist, except as an occasional shortcut where it makes sense.
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    Folks are just doing what they are used to - walking to the right.

    Needs more signage (more regular) and extra detail. How about some "Bikes Only" on the right and "Pedestrians" on the left with a picture of a walking man.

    I presume there was no education with the launch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    OMG, we agree on something.

    Yes, MUP is code for a pedestrian park path where skate boarding, roller skating, and low speed cycling (mainly for children) is tolerated. It is not a place for any semi serious adult cyclist, except as an occasional shortcut where it makes sense.
    Check the Portland thread as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    Part of me wants to but my self preservation instinct is too strong.
    Two words, "cow catcher".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    ...American society today -- a pervasive attitude of "it's a free country, NOBODY can tell me what I can & can't do!"
    When the path first opened I started my own "education" campaign. I limited myself to ONE instance of tutelage for each path use (like I said earlier, I use it for a short cut and only bike half of it at any given time - in one end and out the other). I would bike along and wait until some walkers were just about to step on a bike symbol. I would slow down, point at the symbol and ask (as politely as possible) "Do you not understand or you just don't care?" I was treated to threats, and once a woman in a group of 6 young adults said: "We're just a bunch of @$$ho1e$". One middle aged man walking with his wife (I presume) dared me to come back and talk about it - I kept an eye on my mirror and eventually the woman pulled him across the line to the walking side.

    My education campaign lasted about 20 classes before I just said "F-it" and discontinued using the path (except for shooting the video). Probably just revenge for all of the red lights they have seen me run over the years. At least my rule breaking keeps me OUT of their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gecho View Post
    Two words, "cow catcher".
    Two more: Bull Whip
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    Actually a big part of the problem is that it's a stupid design. (trying to be nice here). Pedestrians are like gas, they will expand to fill all available space. It's total idiocy on the part of the planners to believe that a line will keep from spreading into the bike lane. Add to that that there is absolutely no signage saying BICYCLES ONLY, or NO pedestrians (not that they would work, but they might help).

    Given the width of the path, there was enough room to paint a yellow line down the middle, and stencil signage saying, walk, skate, bicycle to the right, pass on the left. This puts it in line with the general rules of the road that people are used to. It wouldn't eliminate pedestrian sprawl, but would create a better more logical flow pattern. It would also have a fringe benefit of allowing safe 2 way bicycling.

    But, as I said earlier, multi use paths aren't for serious cyclists, of for high speeds. They attract families with children and dogs on and off leashes creating a minefield for cyclists to navigate at their own risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matariki View Post
    They need to get rid of the line.
    .....plus any signage, since it's basically useless, and making a certain cyclist's blood pressure to elevate needlessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    .....plus any signage, since it's basically useless, and making a certain cyclist's blood pressure to elevate needlessly.
    Yes, it would be much less annoying without any paint on the tarmac at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    When the path first opened I started my own "education" campaign. I limited myself to ONE instance of tutelage for each path use (like I said earlier, I use it for a short cut and only bike half of it at any given time - in one end and out the other). I would bike along and wait until some walkers were just about to step on a bike symbol. I would slow down, point at the symbol and ask (as politely as possible) "Do you not understand or you just don't care?" I was treated to threats, and once a woman in a group of 6 young adults said: "We're just a bunch of @$$ho1e$". One middle aged man walking with his wife (I presume) dared me to come back and talk about it - I kept an eye on my mirror and eventually the woman pulled him across the line to the walking side.

    My education campaign lasted about 20 classes before I just said "F-it" and discontinued using the path (except for shooting the video). Probably just revenge for all of the red lights they have seen me run over the years. At least my rule breaking keeps me OUT of their way.
    Do you not understand or do you just not care?

    give those pedestrians hell for just doing what pedestrians do. good work eroding good will between those people and cyclists. a round of applause.


    Waiting until the pedestrians were about to step on a bike symbol, and then you rip into them? I guess a keep up the good work is in order ?

    "Path rights"?

    I would love to see this method of education spill out to the streets, Joey. Instead of dodging conflict, stare it down. take the lane, get in the way. then, stop in the lane, add the stare down and the "Do you not understand or do you just not care" bit about the rules of the road.

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    picking on pedestrians for walking in a park path - seriously?
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    How dey gonna learn then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    How dey gonna learn then?

    Well you could work on your delivery a bit.

    Educating folks successfully usually doesn't include insults or belittling them. YMMV, but a few years as a highschool teacher taught me a few things about how to get the message across successfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
    Well you could work on your delivery a bit.

    Educating folks successfully usually doesn't include insults or belittling them. YMMV, but a few years as a highschool teacher taught me a few things about how to get the message across successfully.
    I'm going to have to disagree. When I spot an obviously unhandicapped person using handicapped parking, I'll stroll by and comment, "Must be a mental handicap."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecho View Post
    It would be better if it was set up as a traditional path. The fact some of the users are literate only makes the situation worse by having people walking on both sides.

    I think Joey is going adequately slow on that path, probably only 18kph.

    I agree, the fact that they use a nonstandard system (not going with traffic on the right) is exacerbated by the fact that their doesn't seem to be one sign informing pedestrians that the right lane is for bikes.
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    Nice video. Agree about the choice of music for the slalom. One of my initial reactions to the video is the obsiety of most of the pedestrians. We should be thankful that they are trying to do something about their weight. Is that a one-way path?
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    I agree with many here: The painted lines are stupid, and what is causing the confusion. Why is god's name would slower traffic be on the left? Stay right, faster traffic passes on the left.

    Most of the MUPS I've seen painted had walkers on the right, with cyclists on the left. This one seems to have it bass ackwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Now you are showing some inelegance by understanding that the road with motorist is much safer to commute on than a MUP with pedestrians.
    Safe is a relative thing... it is highly unlikely that hitting a ped or a ped hitting a cyclist will result in death. The same cannot be said about collisions with a motor vehicle.

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