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Originally Posted by For a Dancer
About the only person I think that could overcome bear spray is a person hopped on on meth.
Nobody in my group was able to stand up to the bear spray. Hell, bears can't (Hence, why it's called "Bear Spray"), even when defending their cubs.
Defensive pepper sprays for humans are a very different animal. There effectiveness is very much dependent upon conditions and the persons used on. Although some folks, particularly internet warriors from Hawaii, seem to think they are almost magically effective... An important point to remember about pepper sprays is that in many areas, civilians are only legally allowed to possess those with a history of much less effectiveness and or reduced volume capability. While not certain, I would expect DC to be one of those places with such restrictions...
1. Cops are not restricted to less potent sprays as civilians often are
2. I doubt any cop would consider pepper spray as an equalizer against an attacking gang! It's a somewhat effective come-along for single troublemakers, to be used in situations like this:
I.e. typical use: single drunk, 3 cops, no weapon or real risk to cops, lots of time - just kinder than nightsticking him.
My turn today. Was riding through Harlem today on Lenox Ave./Malcolm X Blvd. between 115th and 111th streets, passing a small crowd standing on the sidewalk, suddenly felt a heavy blow to the right side of my torso, followed by some kids' laughing. Looked up, apparently a couple of Harlem kids barely in their teens had just thrown some sizable stone(s) or whatever objects at me. Still hurts. Guess there is nothing we can do in such situation if it's not serious injury?
If you are unable to get a positive ID on the little criminals in the making you could:
* File a report with the cops
* Find out schools in the local area - and dig a little to see who was cutting on that day, or absent. With cops present they could pinpoint kids who are truant and wouldn't be too surprising that school administrators would have a cue on who the punks are. Probably middle school kids who are typically the worst.
Lastly - and as you and I have mentioned - It's your turn. Sorry that it happened to you.
I was thinking of carrying some stones to throw back next time, but the stones may land on their parents standing nearby, and it would be against Martin Luther King's non-violent resistance.
I really hate that being peaceful and minding your own business you can still get these provocations. Until now all that concerned me was to keep safe from drivers. Now there is one more thing to watch out for.
Punks like the ones that attacked Vol are well known in their local neighborhoods. And by the administrations / deans of schools and the cops. With some level of positive ID determination of the offender could be made. The thing is - how much time and energy is someone willing to put into this kind of effort? Once you catch the jerks - it's time off work to show up at the precinct, show up in court to testify, paperwork etc. And once this is all done - many of the parents of these kids will have suddenly left the area.
If the act is truly egregious - the cops will get them. The worst one I remember in recent history are two middle schoolers throwing a shopping cart on top of a mother off a balcony - putting her in a coma. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...attackers.html
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WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
Also considering that 'bear' spray tends to come in fairly large cans; just how reasonable is it to carry on ones person. Also considering the regulations places like DC and CA place on civilian use of pepper spray, I doubt 'bear' spray would be any more legal than an assault weapon...
I carry pepper spray as part of the job. I'd say you're better off trying to get away then trying to pepper spray a group of people. You're probably not going to win that one.
Not much can be done about this until the police step up and start getting tough. Cycling in groups is a good idea as well.
As for other weapons just make sure you know and are following the laws for the area you are riding in.
I wonder if the cyclist in this story had a camera?
Hope the cyclist makes a full recovery from his injuries, and the attackers are brought to justice, soon! Absolutely shameful
If you're determined enough, have some level of evidence you might be able to apprehend these feral teens. Rock throwing teens in their little gangs don't stray to far from home base. Meaning, they'll do some petty crime and on foot escape back to a local hideaway. Somewhat same with the punk skateboarders in Seattle who I am sure could be ID'd if the victim went after them a bit. Again, with school out and time on their hands to do NOTHING. Some miscreants will go about and hurt people, animals and property to satisfy the need to release anger, or for the thrills of committing a crime.
The linchpin for all of this is evidence, and time to pursue justice. And with petty cases - not worth it. Also many of these feral teens have a rudimentary knowledge of what they can get away with. Honed by relatives who have been involved with the penal system.