Chaco

Since my IQ is lower than yours, I'm wondering if you could explain to me what a "dillusion" is.

rebel1916

I guess we have all been schooled by a super genius. I wonder how he feels about the cost benefit analysis of vollie firefighters, my brothers and sisters in blue, the brave men and women in the armed forces. All the people who take the risks (in the case of vollies without compensation) for him to be safe...

joejeweler

That's a "typo",....since i never claimed to be a typist.

joejeweler

Another brilliant analogy.

Riding a bicycle to commute or for any other reason on the road with it's often overlooked risks,.....doesn't come close to accepting the risks with doing a NECESSARY and lifesaving job! So lame.......

rebel1916

Yeah, but speaking from experience, the kind of people who are willing to say, run into burning buildings for free, are also the kind of people who enjoy a little recreational risk. And military, fire, and law enforcement have a lot of overlap. There are people who are sheepdogs and there are people who are sheep. And they will never understand each other.

John Forester

In a sense, joejeweler has a valid point. The cyclist who acts as he recommends "doesn't speed like he's on the road, and is fully aware of his/her vunerability at driveways and intersections and yields to pedestrians", provided that "being aware of his vulnerability" requires that the cyclist take the precautions necessary to compensate for his vulnerability. Those precautions basically require cycling at pedestrian speed. Why then take the trouble to be encumbered with a bicycle, when shoes are plentiful and cheap?

joejeweler

Well,.....at least "someone" sees my point. What you may have missed before John, in some other posts is that i am referring to the situation in my area.

Lots of heavy traffic (many trucks, 18 wheelers & buses also), most of the day doing 40-45 mph, 5 narrow lanes with no shoulder and at the curb edge a regular recessed storm drain.

The main point is i don't have to give up cycling on the sidewalk at a reasonable pace. The sidewalks "here" are hardly used at all. Mostly businesses and small motels, a few trailer parks set back off the road, and all pretty much have a driveway.

Customers come by car mostly, and i look over my left shoulder at every crossing, and the driveways are mostly open to easily see any outcoming traffic.

Any pedestrian i'm likely to see is usually waiting at the bus stops,....often inside an enclosure. In total a "busy" pedestrian count on my twice daily 5-8 mile round trip i might see 4-8 TOTAL along my entire route. Many days i see none!

Compare that to a few hundred motor vehicles speeding along the same short route, and it's not even close regarding risk/reward.

And as i mentioned previously, on the few occasions i encounter a pedestrian i always yield to them and announce my presence so as not to startle them. (especially with the quiet fixied gear bikes)

I travel the 2-4 mile each way route in 10-20 minutes, taking in the sights and enjoying the liesurely ride. But for sure i'm not going along at a pedestrian pace. That might be necessary with lots of pedestrians present, but not here.

.......8 or 9 mph perhaps,....and that's fine with me. I'm not riding a century here. And because the sidewalks aren't as smooth as the road with lots of ramping up and down,.....i expect i'm getting a better overall workout to boot on my less aero upright riding style.

rekmeyata

since when does IQ dictate if you have fear or not? I knew plenty of fearful people in the military who were intelligent as well. You're not only fearful but now I'm adding a child to the list. Good grief an intelligent fearful child, what's next here? And for a person with so much intelligence why can't you read the answers to the question about being in control we've already told you back on the curb yak you went on and on about?

I have (oh, how's that for a paragraph break, can you understand it now? I doubt it) feeling you're a troll. No more responses from me.

joejeweler

Well, i have an idea where you where you can "store" that list.

I remember reading:

"Never argue with an idiot, they only bring you down to their level,.....

.......and then beat you with experience".

What you and so many attribute to me as "fear" is simply a rational and well thought out commuting choice based on the circumstances i and MANY other bicycle riders find themselves living under HERE.

Oh, the single paragraph break was nice,....but could use a few more. While you're at it, maybe a few well thought out "thoughts" would be nice.

But since you're not planning on responding further,......i doubt we'll hear any additional childish name calling.

lostarchitect 

This thread has descended into the depths of dumbness.

CB HI

I might agree if I did not have more negative risk interactions with motorist on a 4 block walk to the park at lunchtime than I do during a 22 mile cycle commute into work each day.

Don in Austin

Perhaps it depends on the sidewalk? When I am on the sidewalk it is because the street is ugly and the sidewalk goes for long stretches with no driveways or interruptions of any kind. I can maintain an average far better than walking speed on such and safely to boot. Do I need to charge up my Go-Pro and record an example? Heaven forbid, we look at a situations on a rational case-by-case basis instead of making absolute statements.

Don in Austin

spare_wheel

i posted DNFTT on post #39 . joe is a rather good troll.

joejeweler

Every comment i made was at least a thought out and reasonable response contributing something to the thread.

Much like in that post #39 , and probably elsewhere, you post in a thread yet make no meaningful or useful comments yet agitate the pot. I believe that makes YOU the troll. You want to use initials,.....(removed by moderator, using phonics to be inappropriate is....inappropriate)

curbtender

I'm a proponent of doing what keeps you safe. Joe feels safe doing what he does so it's a valid option for him. I salmon an area of my morning commute because it has a large shoulder, 6', compared to 1' on the right. The road has potholes there also, no lights and fog/mist some AM's. It's an uphill section with a 45mph speed limit and it's with the commuters. Get one car to ten through there. Give me a ticket...

CB HI

Do you also insist that you are doing the smart thing while implying others are dumb for riding on the road?

joejeweler

Listen, i never said road cyclists were dumb in any way, so please do not put words in my mouth.

I DID find and state the fact that not one of them will admit to the very real dependence that EVERY driver behind you is not impared or distracted in some way. You are literally putting your life into someone elses hands for that split second when they pass you.

Some thought they could take control of the road or force drivers in a certain way, a view i find ridiculous,......sorry, it just is. A cyclist is but a spec of sand on the highway when matched against several tons of steel.

Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty will not find fault with those views.

CB HI

I rest my case.

joejeweler

Maybe i was wrong about folks like you. I take it reading comprehension was not a strong point for you???

(Hint: Why don't you go back and highlight where you're inferring i'm calling cyclists dumb in my quotes in your post #118 . Otherwise , maybe you should rest your mouth along with your case)

CB HI

Yes more insults. You have no class with your insults and foul language initials.

unterhausen

this one has gone off the rails. Close