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Saluki1968 06-28-13 12:43 PM

Friend's crash prompts me to buy new helmet
 
Got a call from the wife of a good friend this morning. He was traininfg for an upcoming triathalon and suffered a horrendous crash. It was a single bike accident - no vehicles involved - as he apparently hit a deep crack in the road, catching his front wheel and throwing him off the bike. He was wearing his bike helmet (don't know what brand/type) as always, but he is now in the regional med center ICU in critical condition with severe head injury and swelling of the brain. Doctors are "guardedly optimistic" that he'll survive, tho nothing has been said of his coming thru this w/o any disabling effects.

This prompted me to check out an article in last months "Bicycling" concerning bike helmets and their effectiveness. The gist of the article was that standards for helmets are too low and that although most decent helmets will protect a person from being killed, very few are designed to prevent concussions. New "MIPS"-type helmets are being marketed now by a few companies (Scott and POC, maybe others) and these are designed to provide more protection against concussions. Reading that, I called my local bike shop, to ask if they had any of the MIPS-type helmets. Yep, they did. Went right over this afternoon, tried one on and after checking fit, etc, bought it. I got a POC Trabec Race model.
http://bigbird.smugmug.com/Other/Tom...20helmet-M.jpg

It wasn't cheap - about $200 - but it's a better alternative to what happened to my friend and his head. Hope I never have to "test" my new helmet, but you just never know, it may come in handy some fine day.

GeorgeWerr 06-29-13 09:29 AM

Thanks for the info - never heard of this type but I have had a nasty concussion after a slow crash, cracked the helmet but did not know who i was for a few minutes. no lasting afects and all is good now.

ro-monster 06-29-13 10:19 AM

The question of helmets aside, I hope for the best possible outcome for your unfortunate friend.

rydabent 06-29-13 03:11 PM

Lets all hope your friend makes a full recovery.

bikebreak 07-08-13 11:31 AM

Let us know how the MIPS helmet goes.
I also read and posted that article here http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...helmet-article

Seems the bottom line is that the newer types (MIPS and multi density foams) and supposed to reduce injuries in specific conditions, such as rolling and lower speed impacts. But for a crash like your friend had, I don't think any type of bike helmet would have helped.

spivonious 07-08-13 11:57 AM

Nobody said helmets prevent concussions. Just look at all of the NHL and NFL players that receive concussions during games.

What helmets do well is prevent skull fractures. If your head lands on a pointy rock or the edge of a curb, the helmet will prevent your brains from spilling on the ground.

I hope your friend is able to fully recover.

Saluki1968 07-08-13 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bikebreak (Post 15827357)
Let us know how the MIPS helmet goes.
I also read and posted that article here http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...helmet-article

Seems the bottom line is that the newer types (MIPS and multi density foams) and supposed to reduce injuries in specific conditions, such as rolling and lower speed impacts. But for a crash like your friend had, I don't think any type of bike helmet would have helped.

I like the new POC helmet. It's more comfortable than the standard Bell I was using. Air flow is also good. :)

ItsJustMe 07-08-13 12:07 PM

I just bought a POC Trabec Race MIPS myself. Hopefully I'll never find out if it's effective or not, but really given the money I make and the fact that a brain injury would probably end my professional career, $200 was peanuts if there's even a small chance that it might help someday.

I've only crashed significantly once in my life, and in that case the helmet saved me from at least a lot of facial cuts, probably some further injury as well - I would have cracked my left temple/forehead really hard on the pavement - instead I had a deep dent in the helmet there.

CommuteCommando 07-08-13 12:15 PM

There was a recent tragic crash here in San Diego at the Velodrome. A 33 year old woman died from massive head trauma. This got me thinking that we really need better helmets. The ones we have now are good for little bumps, like I had last month in a solo crash that also resulted in moderate road rash, contusions and a badly sprained shoulder. I'll definitely be checking MIPS out.

CommuteCommando 07-08-13 12:51 PM

Just checked it out. I am a bit of a skeptic, and had to sift through pages and pages of glowing reviews (aka sale pitches) when I finally came across this http://www.bicycling.com/sites/defau...-13-Helmet.pdf. It was the only resource I found that actually gave a graphic description of the operating principle-page 65.

Is it a better helmet? Based on my first impression, yes; a little. Is it the better helmet. I still think we have a way to go.

For the anti helmet types that would hijack this tread, there is the helmet sticky. I choose to wear one, knowing the limitations.

jessestylex 07-12-13 11:47 AM

whats the update on your friends condition? hope he ok.

Saluki1968 07-12-13 01:53 PM

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I'm sad to have to report that my friend expired the night before last, having never regained consciousness. He was on "life support" the last few days. After family was able to get to him to say goodbyes, his wife aqcuiesced to the wishes of his living will and the life support was turned off. He died very peacefully surronded by his family. Stu was 65 years old.

CbadRider 07-12-13 02:14 PM

To the OP, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend.

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Originally Posted by CommuteCommando (Post 15827674)
For the anti helmet types that would hijack this tread, there is the helmet sticky.

+1000000000000

I deleted the anti-helmet posts that belonged in the helmet sticky thread. This thread is to discuss different types of helmets. If you don't like to wear a helmet, there is nothing for you to discuss in this thread.

Thanks for your cooperation.

CbadRider
Forum Admin

bikepro 07-12-13 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Saluki1968 (Post 15844307)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=328792
I'm sad to have to report that my friend expired the night before last, having never regained consciousness. He was on "life support" the last few days. After family was able to get to him to say goodbyes, his wife aqcuiesced to the wishes of his living will and the life support was turned off. He died very peacefully surronded by his family. Stu was 65 years old.

My sincerest condolences on the loss of your friend. And thanks for the helmet information. I've read about these and might get one myself.

jerseyJim 07-12-13 02:29 PM

My condolences to you and your friend's family.

These are the helmets designed to reduce the rotational force of a higher-speed impact with pavement? IMO a welcome and much needed advance in helmet design.

Dahon.Steve 07-14-13 01:14 AM

Very sad and my condolences.

I guess the only safe helmet out there are those that cannot be used because of weight and heat considerations. A full face DH helmet.

Dahon.Steve 07-14-13 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Saluki1968 (Post 15793569)
. Reading that, I called my local bike shop, to ask if they had any of the MIPS-type helmets. Yep, they did. http://bigbird.smugmug.com/Other/Tom...20helmet-M.jpg

It wasn't cheap - about $200 - but it's a better alternative to what happened to my friend and his head. Hope I never have to "test" my new helmet, but you just never know, it may come in handy some fine day.

The only difference I see with this helmet from the current ones by Bell is the visor being longer and rigid. I suspect they discovered what many have known for quite a long time is that cyclist have almost no protection in frontal impact. I'm sure we're now going to see Giro and Bell create new helmets with strong visors, somthing that should have been done a long time ago.

Actually, if you remove the visor, it looks like a ski helmet.

moth54 07-14-13 09:44 AM

Saluki I am so sorry to hear the news about your friend.

We can only hope that if we consumers buy even such improved helmets as are available, the industry will be encouraged to continue RandD. That alone is worth $200.

achoo 07-14-13 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve (Post 15848883)
The only difference I see with this helmet from the current ones by Bell is the visor being longer and rigid. I suspect they discovered what many have known for quite a long time is that cyclist have almost no protection in frontal impact. I'm sure we're now going to see Giro and Bell create new helmets with strong visors, somthing that should have been done a long time ago.

Actually, if you remove the visor, it looks like a ski helmet.

I'd bet that visor isn't rigid at all, and in any impact it'd break right off.

The major difference I can see in that helmet is the coverage - it covers way more of the back of the skull than a "normal" cycling helmet, and might cover more of the front, too, under that visor.

It also might be quite a bit thicker than "normal" cycling helmets, but it's hard to tell.

mconlonx 07-14-13 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Saluki1968 (Post 15844307)
I'm sad to have to report that my friend expired the night before last,

So sorry to hear this.

howsteepisit 07-14-13 04:03 PM

I am truly sorry for the loss. Deepest sympathies.

terrapin44 07-14-13 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Saluki1968 (Post 15844307)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=328792
I'm sad to have to report that my friend expired the night before last, having never regained consciousness. He was on "life support" the last few days. After family was able to get to him to say goodbyes, his wife aqcuiesced to the wishes of his living will and the life support was turned off. He died very peacefully surronded by his family. Stu was 65 years old.


My condolences to Stu's family and friends.


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