corvuscorvax

I'm still trying to figure out what it is we don't understand about gravity that is in any way relevant to cycling. Relativity certainly isn't, unless you're a much faster cyclist than me, or a whole lot denser.

I-Like-To-Bike

Everything to know about California public transit and California bike-friendly infrastruture can be found in a San Francisco street oriented blog?
Just as everything there is to know about German bicycling can be found in a blog about cycling in Munich?

Got it.

spare_wheel

considering that SF was in cycling infrastructure stasis for a very long time i think progress there has been amazing.

northernlights

That's only San Francisco. And its just painted bike lanes on the street. A lot better than nothing of course, but would be nicer to see actual bike paths and protected bike lanes like they have in the NL. Or in other words, physical barriers between bike lane and car lanes as they are starting to do in some areas of NYC. But they have a long way to go before they hope to catch up to the Netherlands which by itself has a jaw-dropping 35,000 kilometers of paved bike paths, that are completely physically segregated from car traffic. I might be spoiled from what I saw in Europe but what they have there makes cycling an exceptionally safe and pleasant mode of transportation for everyone especially women and kids.

spare_wheel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZjzsnPhnw

Jaywalk3r

You make it clear that you know nothing about relativity theory, either. Your post exudes your foolishness.

Jaywalk3r

Oh boy! Another "I live in Hawaii, which makes me a badder a$$ cyclist than anyone from anywhere else" post.

Jaywalk3r

Actually, the data I've seen show a pretty clear correlation between increase in bicycle infrastructure and bicycle modal share, including in some German cities. That said, it is neither surprising nor unexpected that cities that have invested heavily in substantial cycling infrastructure start to see diminishing returns on those investments.

spare_wheel

What data?

Jaywalk3r

Where have I said anything about doing any group rides or cruising at 20 mph? (My gearing allows me to maintain about 17-18 mph, anything faster is a sprint or coasting.)

And yes, if comfort is the primary consideration, riding upright is the best riding position. Unfortunately, I don't own a proper upright bike, so, even for my commutes and errands, I have to hunch over to ride. Only my somewhat wide bar improves my comfort over what I experience with road bikes.

You're more than welcome to come ride with me around (i.e., not in) Springfield on a hot summer day. You come across as such a hard core cyclist, I'm sure it would be cake for you.

Jaywalk3r

As opposed to the guy who knows nothing about math or science, and thinks that only Colorado and Hawaii have hills, which means he knows nothing about geography, either.

Jaywalk3r

Google is your friend.

Feldman

Agree--there's a mindset in a few US communities that I like to call "delusions of Amsterdam;" which adopts Dutch bikes etc. as a fashion while ignoring that our urban/suburban cycling is a totally different environment than dense compact cities, and needs different equipment--both mechanical and mental--to deal with.

I-Like-To-Bike

SF is NOT representative of the state of California; Munich is not the country of Germany; nor does Portland represent anything but Portland. Even if your blog surfing makes you think otherwise.

spare_wheel

It's my friend but most definitely not yours.

Hembrow:
https://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com...-in-world.html

policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/irresistible.pdf

The Netherlands does not look so impressive either...


This is what replacing physically-separated infrastructure with bike boulevards and bike lanes does:

Berlin:
1996 -- 6%
2011 -- 17.4%
https://www.ecf.com/news/4909/

Munich:
https://www.international.fhwa.dot.go...10010/ch07.cfm

Jaywalk3r

What, exactly, do you think those articles suggest?

For example, from the peer reviewed Pucher paper:
"The most important approach to making cycling safe and convenient in Dutch, Danish and German cities is the provision of separate cycling facilities along heavily travelled roads and at intersections, combined with extensive traffic calm- ing of residential neighbourhoods."

Was there anything in any of those articles that actually supported your assertion?

spare_wheel

I made no assertion. I just posted *DATA* relevant to your assertion that:

And, of course, you tried to change the subject.

Jaywalk3r

I guess I'm just trying to understand your point. What you posted doesn't contradict my assertion.

spare_wheel

As other have noted, your troll schtick is to be intentionally obtuse.

Holland spent a billion dollars doubling it's segragated infrastructure mileage with hardly any increase in mode share:

https://www.bicyclinglife.com/library...aster-Plan.pdf

This contradicts your claim that:

The correlation is obviously less clear than you claim.

genec

Ah yes, the old correlation/causation argument.

Oddly, there is no location where infrastructure does NOT exist, that has cycling modal share above about 3%, and most likely it is lower than that.

seafood

Is this the right time to remind everyone that even if you find correlation, you don't have causation? In other words, you might have a municipality investing into bicycle infrastructure because it is being demanded by uptick of ridership within driving, riding, and voting populace. Just sayin'.

Jaywalk3r

It is absolutely hilarious that you use Holland as an example to contradict the positive correlation of bike infrastructure and increased modal share in the same post that you accuse me of trolling.

The bicycle modal share of The Netherlands was once much lower, before taking active steps, which included bike infrastructure as a very large component, to increase bike use. Copenhagen was a car-centric city in the early 1970's, but, with infrastructure and planning, bicycle use is now very high. All your example shows is that diminishing returns apply (as would be expected), not that cities with good bike infrastructure don't have higher bicycle modal share than cities without good infrastructure.

It doesn't just work in Amsterdam and Copenhagen, either. American cities have also found that investing in infrastructure increases modal share of bikes, including NYC, Seattle, and Portland, to name just a few.

mr_pedro

Here is what the Dutch department of Transport has to say about cycling in the Netherlands:
https://www.fietsberaad.nl/library/re...rlands2009.pdf

Jaywalk3r

Would you care to list some cities that have seen large increases in bicycle modal share prior to installing infrastructure?

Jaywalk3r

Really? Please, explain to the rest of us how the correlation is unclear.