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cannabinoid 07-24-13 05:36 PM

Another biker killed in chicago
 
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,6317362.story

A 33-year-old man died early this morning following a collision on Monday with a vehicle in the Northwest Side's Portage Park neighborhood, authorities said.

DX-MAN 07-24-13 07:25 PM

And, the usual flame war about cyclists' rights; Chicago is truly a sewer.

turbo1889 07-24-13 07:26 PM

Well, if it is true that the operator of the automobile vehicle did have right of way and the operator of the bicycle vehicle failed to yield (To oncoming traffic potentially? kind of what it sounds like with the cyclist making a left turn.) and the driver of the automobile vehicle couldn't stop in time to avoid hitting him then I'm sorry to hear the driver of the bicycle vehicle got himself killed. Very sad and I feel for him and his family.

But at the same time I'm not going to get all bent out of shape for the fact that the operator of the automobile vehicle wasn't cited when there is a automobile/bicycle collision where the negligence to follow the rules of the road was on the part of the operator of the bicycle vehicle rather then the automobile vehicle.

As an operator of any vehicle the moment you choose to violate the rules of the road and in so doing the expectations of mutual respect for all users of the public right of ways you put yourself out on the line both for natural and legally imposed consequences of your negligence and/or selfishness. If you are operating a vehicle that leaves you open and exposed those natural consequences can be a very high price to pay. Sorry to hear anyone had to pay it ~ but it does happen.

My only question (assuming the witnesses told the truth about what happened) would be if the operator of the automobile vehicle had any significant opportunity to try to avoid the collision or not and if that operator did so or not. In some states (not all) if you don't try to avoid a frontal collision when you had ample opportunity to do so even if the other operator was supposed to yield you can be held responsible for not trying to avoid that frontal collision that was developing right in front of you in plain sight.

cannabinoid 07-24-13 07:51 PM

According to this article the car "sideswiped" the biker http://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/07/2...-portage-park/ so maybe the driver could've moved a couple of inches to the right to avoid hitting the cyclist. There are traffic cameras at that intersection so I would hope that the police have looked at the video footage along with listening to the witnesses.

Chris516 07-25-13 07:22 AM

My condolences to the family.

Chicago Al 07-25-13 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cannabinoid (Post 15885963)
According to this article the car "sideswiped" the biker http://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/07/2...-portage-park/ so maybe the driver could've moved a couple of inches to the right to avoid hitting the cyclist. There are traffic cameras at that intersection so I would hope that the police have looked at the video footage along with listening to the witnesses.


Actually that article states that witnesses said the cyclist sideswiped the car, that the cyclist was making a left turn on a red light. It's a straight NSEW intersection, the cyclist was apparently N bound, tried to turn W, and hit the car which was W bound. Hard to see how the motorist could have responded to, much less anticipated, the cyclist running the red light and turning into him.

cannabinoid 07-25-13 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicago Al (Post 15887063)
Actually that article states that witnesses said the cyclist sideswiped the car, that the cyclist was making a left turn on a red light. It's a straight NSEW intersection, the cyclist was apparently N bound, tried to turn W, and hit the car which was W bound. Hard to see how the motorist could have responded to, much less anticipated, the cyclist running the red light and turning into him.

I know he was going against the red light, I'm just thinking that if he hit the side of the car maybe it was avoidable on the driver's part. I guess this is a reminder as cyclists that if we break traffic rules we may pay the price with our lives. It just makes me sad whenever a cyclist dies.

Chicago Al 07-25-13 09:13 AM

It's terrible, and by no means did the cyclist 'deserve' to get hurt, much less die. But a certain amount of bravado and recklessness goes with being young and male. I guess 33 isn't that young though.

This happened not too far from my house (within two miles let's say) and there are a lot of bike riders around here who ride very recklessly---a late teen, early twenties-year old kid ran a red light right in front of me the other night, from the sidewalk on the near side. Not only could I not see him until he was in the street, he could not have seen me either--but he wasn't even looking to the side, just straight ahead. The sound of my braking or horn did not appear to get his attention, either.


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