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Old 07-27-13, 03:53 PM   #51
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Either you like dissecting language like a former President or you simply don't recall making the following statement in a thread where you bragged of similar behaviour. And if you think following someone home (even if we accept your claim that you did NOTHING else, is still a threatening act.
Way to take something out of context to misrepresent. How very Clinton like of you.

The guy was a block from his house when he intentionally buzzed me while he was doing 35 mph in a residential 25 mph zone. I saw him turn into a dead end street and followed. I never knock on his door, but simply asked him to drive properly. He started giving out racial slurs and swearing. I was on the public roadway the entire time and he is the one that stomped towards me. He claimed he knew the law because some judge found him guilty for the way he rode a bicycle. The encounter ended in a hand shake.

And thanks for brining this case up, because a couple weeks after the encounter, the guy pulls along side me, passing safely and talks all friendly to me. Of course he was in the passing lane blocking several other motorist during his friendly conversation.

So my actions have worked to make my cycling safer. Anymore twisted BS that you want to throw out?
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Sorry, I did assume that the license plate database was for the owners. Either way it is clear you are incapable of simply understanding that the records you are searching still require you to be making assumptions that the person you have identified is in fact the person you contacted via email... Strong indication is another term for an ASSUMPTION... But I suspect that you will continue to ignore (or misunderstand) the meaning of the term
Or perhaps you think her kids look like a 55 year old woman. How odd that she is the only person getting traffic infractions on that license plate when you think there are so many others driving the SUV.
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While I own a car, I rarely use it. A bike is my primary transportation. And yet I have not had a single incident with a motorist in over three years of riding... So I think that the sig line I paraphrased is pretty accurate.

Oh, and like the OP you seem to be making a number of assumptions about me...
Three years, really, that is ALL. I commuted daily from 1982 to 1989 with no problems with motorist. Then I cycled in Washington DC with numerous problems with motorist. And you want to imply the problem is of my making.

Do you travel through the same gulch each day? Do you commute 22 miles one way each day? Are most of your commute roads without shoulders and too narrow to share?

And B. Carfree puts in even more miles than I do in a hostile town.
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Or you just ride more miles and/or on more problematic roads than the average cyclist. Those of us who regularly ride over 15,000 miles per year, particularly when many of those miles are commuting/utilitarian and we don't drive our bikes to nicer start points, are going to encounter many more derriere chapeaux than someone who barely cracks a thousand miles and does those on MUPs.

Whew! Not to go off topic here but "those of us who regularly ride over 15,000 miles per year" is a rare breed. I use a bike for pretty much all my commuting and much of my transportation needs as well as touring and riding recreationally and the only time I even approached 15k in a year was the year I biked across the US and back, raced and was commuting a very substantial round trip for about 3 mos. of that year.


300 miles per week consistently for a year is substantial and to do it year after year is most impressive.

I've known a lot of cyclists over the years and I can't recall even a handful that log that kind of mileage yet you say it like that's a common thing. How many cyclists do most of you know regularly wracking up that mileage?

If I were riding 15k per year I seriously doubt I'd have the time nor the energy to be chasing down every driver that pissed me off, let alone researching all their plate numbers and Internet profiles and jumping in BF's to chat about it, I'd be too busy eating, sleeping and doing bike maintenance.

On second thought, one of the symptoms of "overtraining" is irritability and obsessive behavior so maybe I would be chasing them all down incessantly!
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Before the topic is closed, I'm reminded that it's sometimes best to keep my mouth shut, not listen to hearsay, don't fan the flames, and to not get hung up on every typed, mistyped, or omitted detail. Next topic please.
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Way to take something out of context to misrepresent. How very Clinton like of you.
Out of context? I believe that the same stalking behavior over a period of years is the epitomy of context. Don't think it wasn't obvious that you ignored the part where I quoted you as claiming to have maintained a database of license plates belonging to drivers that had offended you over a period of years. And your glee in describing how the public records now allow you to 'identify' all of them...

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The guy was a block from his house when he intentionally buzzed me while he was doing 35 mph in a residential 25 mph zone. I saw him turn into a dead end street and followed. I never knock on his door, but simply asked him to drive properly. He started giving out racial slurs and swearing. I was on the public roadway the entire time and he is the one that stomped towards me. He claimed he knew the law because some judge found him guilty for the way he rode a bicycle. The encounter ended in a hand shake.
Of course he had to be close to his stopping point if you were able to SUCCESSFULLY follow a car... I wonder how many you were unsuccessful in such stalking behavior (that database of license plates that offended you) and hence your apparent glee that the wired age has given you a tool to pursue your stalking behaviour...


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Anymore twisted BS that you want to throw out?
First you mis-capitalize to imply a curse at another poster and now you resort to curse acronyms... I guess such base tactics are all you can resort to when presented with any challenge to your 'advocacy'... At least reason and discussion seem to be beyond your comfort level...


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Or perhaps you think her kids look like a 55 year old woman. How odd that she is the only person getting traffic infractions on that license plate when you think there are so many others driving the SUV.
Perhaps he car free neighbor whom he/she loans the car to? Or perhaps, a relative. Or perhaps the women whose name you obtained from the license plate is not the same women whose email address you identified with the soccer club. You seem to like to make legal claims, perhaps you may want to tell us how conclusive your 'evidence' is in a court of law? And while your at it do you think your term 'strong indication' (which is the same as assumption) would be more than the 'reasonable doubt' required by law?

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Three years, really, that is ALL. I commuted daily from 1982 to 1989 with no problems with motorist. Then I cycled in Washington DC with numerous problems with motorist. And you want to imply the problem is of my making.

Do you travel through the same gulch each day? Do you commute 22 miles one way each day? Are most of your commute roads without shoulders and too narrow to share?

And B. Carfree puts in even more miles than I do in a hostile town.

Given the rate of incidents you and B. Carfree seem to have problems one would think that I would have had at least one in three years. And no, I am not implying anything. I am stating that if you are having the number of issues you seem to be then the problem is very likely with you and not the drivers (at least not solely) you are encountering. At the very least you seem a veritable smorgasbord of pent up rage...

I would suspect from my experience that few places in the U.S are as bike unfriendly as Dallas/Fort Worth (which LAB would tend to agree) where I live, yet not a single incident in three years of ALL of my local travel needs being taken care of by bicycle...

Anyway, it seems clear to me that you are not subject to reasoned discussion, so I will leave you with your persecution complex and stalking behaviour. I just hope for your neighbours sake that you never escalate beyond such creepy behaviour.
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PlanoFuji,

Do you think she would have yelled at me if she relized her anonymity would be shattered?

If I ignore her this time (remeber we both pass through the same gulch commuting to work each workday), will she escalate next time?

Or will this put an end to her crap and I can then focus on the other 1%ers in the future?
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Hard to say what effect your followup actions will have. I wouldn't be optimistic.
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so I will leave you with your persecution complex and stalking behaviour. I just hope for your neighbours sake that you never escalate beyond such creepy behaviour.
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I think California changed its law a few years back so that citizens can't look up the name or address of the registered owner of a motor vehicle based on its license number. This change was justified because of some issues with paparazzi. Perhaps that is what dynodonn is referring to.

I wish my state was more like Hawaii and less like California in this regard.
I didn't read all of the other responss but California changed the law when a stalker got the address of an actress and went to her home and killed her. I can't remember her name but maybe Rebecca?
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This would have been the more proper response if he in fact felt the need--after all he claims the vehicle violated the harassment LAW. Instead the OP took it upon himself to contact a person HE ASSUMES is the one who bothered him. From a look at the OP's past posts he has a history of such stalking behaviour. Including showing up at the home of folks he believes were driving vehicles that offended him.

Again, I an linking to a post that would be a good read for all of those who think the OP was right to do what he did.

http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2011/0...bike-club.html

Another poster on this forum has a sig line that seems particularly apropos; If you are encountering problem drivers more than the average cyclist, then the problem may not be the drivers but yourself (or something to that extent)...
Someone piss in your coffee this morning???
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Perhaps it's that we have had to repress speaking our mind in a PC world and so need an occasional catharsis.
Just to comment, you would be hard pressed to find any actual experimental research that supports the catharsis theory. Research shows that aggressive and violent behaviour leads to more aggressive and violent behaviour, not less. I realize catharsis is a popular "folk" theory; it is just not supported by research.
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...Given the rate of incidents you and B. Carfree seem to have problems one would think that I would have had at least one in three years. And no, I am not implying anything. I am stating that if you are having the number of issues you seem to be then the problem is very likely with you and not the drivers (at least not solely) you are encountering. At the very least you seem a veritable smorgasbord of pent up rage...
Child, I have gone over a decade at a time many a time without experiencing any notable incidents with any motorists. I do encounter many situations where I have found it helpful to anticipate poor decisions by motorists and I take appropriate, timely actions to make sure there is no/minimal risk to me. The more substantial incidents that I have had in my life have been few and far between, but they always involve at-fault operation of a motor vehicle. Well, except for that gallon of milk that was thrown at me from a second story balcony while I rode to work on a bike path. Please create a fantasy where that becomes some sort of problem I have created.

Three whole years of likely minimal mileage in one locale does not qualify you to comment on what is happening on the roadways of America. Don't take this wrong, but you are an inexperienced bike rider. Check back in when you have been around the block a time or two.
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Someone piss in your coffee this morning???
Apparently. I guess we're just supposed to bend over and take it.
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Child, I have gone over a decade at a time many a time without experiencing any notable incidents with any motorists. I do encounter many situations where I have found it helpful to anticipate poor decisions by motorists and I take appropriate, timely actions to make sure there is no/minimal risk to me. The more substantial incidents that I have had in my life have been few and far between, but they always involve at-fault operation of a motor vehicle. Well, except for that gallon of milk that was thrown at me from a second story balcony while I rode to work on a bike path. Please create a fantasy where that becomes some sort of problem I have created.

Three whole years of likely minimal mileage in one locale does not qualify you to comment on what is happening on the roadways of America. Don't take this wrong, but you are an inexperienced bike rider. Check back in when you have been around the block a time or two.

Speaking of a post filled with assumptions. Most of which are completely wrong... But sorry, if your intent was to elicit a defence you will be disappointed. It is clear your incapable of rational discussion on the subject.
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Apparently. I guess we're just supposed to bend over and take it.
I assume you didn't understand (or didn't bother to read) where I said if the OP believes (as he stated) that the individual violated the law, he should simply have filed a police report and let them do their job... A civil society has procedures for dealing with problems--none of which involve the process the OP chose and so many here seem to think was justified...

The persecution complex being shown is astounding...
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Your the one doing the ASSuming here. When a license plate # is enterred on the State Judiciary official website, it returns the names and dates of traffic infractions associated with that license plate. It does not return the owner of the car. That is a clear indication that person is driving the car on a regular basis. From that page you can link to other traffic infractions based on the drivers name. That gives you a strong indication if the name you have is currently driving the car involved or if they have moved on to driving another vehicle.

Add that to the voice being a woman and the video capture being a woman of about 55 years adds up to the person with the driving infractions also being the person who would harass a cyclist.

So stop your wrong ASSumptions.

Then you claim I am stalking by riding roads through my town and happen to spot a vehicle used to endanger or harass cyclist. These vehicles have all been parked outside within 2 miles of my home. Maybe you expect me to become blind and not see these vehicles. I have never knocked on a persons door, never threatened anybody (unlike them using their cars as weapons to threaten and endanger).

I have to commute the same gulch each day since 1985. Allowing the same drivers that frequently pass me over the years to gradually escalate each time they pass by me will lead to seriously bad consequences for me (who is really doing the stalking in this case?). If you are ever faced with this same situation, let me know. Until then, your off base claims are pointless.
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In many states, license plate databases are not protected. They're not free, but anyone can buy them.

In ANY state, there would be nothing to stop someone from building their own database. Nothing says I can't drive around and record license plates in driveways and produce a public, online database to look them up. I'm just observing clearly visible information from a public location. I could crowd source it too and all I'd need would be one person on every street to just enter the data for the plates on their street.
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Sorry to the 'anti' crowd. But you are wrong, wrong and even more wrong.

Someone said, "well played!". But that's not strong enough.

Beautifully played. And my hat's off to you on this one, CB.
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I assume you didn't understand (or didn't bother to read) where I said if the OP believes (as he stated) that the individual violated the law, he should simply have filed a police report and let them do their job... A civil society has procedures for dealing with problems--none of which involve the process the OP chose and so many here seem to think was justified...

The persecution complex being shown is astounding...
Please feel free to assume and to make make rude comments. I read your post but disagree with it. I am free to disagree with you aren't I?

I followed and talked to some who pulled out in front me. I didn't make any rude comments to him and explained what he did ENDANGERED MY LIFE. I encouraged him to look twice and keep an eye out for cyclists. He apologized and said he would take my comments to heart.

I doubt this would have happened if I turned him in to the police.

Sometimes you have to go to the source of the problem.
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Out of context? I believe that the same stalking behavior over a period of years is the epitomy of context. Don't think it wasn't obvious that you ignored the part where I quoted you as claiming to have maintained a database of license plates belonging to drivers that had offended you over a period of years. And your glee in describing how the public records now allow you to 'identify' all of them...


I wonder how many you were unsuccessful in such stalking behavior (that database of license plates that offended you) and hence your apparent glee that the wired age has given you a tool to pursue your stalking behaviour...


so I will leave you with your persecution complex and stalking behaviour. I just hope for your neighbours sake that you never escalate beyond such creepy behaviour.
Let us see if you can provide at least one reasoned response.

Please post and prove the Hawaii Stalking law that you are claiming I have violated.

Please post a quote by me using the word "offended" to describe the simple database of drivers who have intentionally run me off the road or endangered me by buzzing me. By the way, the database helped convict two reckless drivers, so it has served a useful purpose.

Please show the quote where I claimed "glee".

B. Carfree and I have both told you of consecutive years much greater than 3 years where we have had no problems with motorist, yet you choose to make a false claim that the bad motorist are all our faults. Do you do the same with mugging victims because you have never been mugged?

And finally you seem to think you are some super Psychologist able to diagnose persecution complex through the internet.
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Please feel free to assume and to make make rude comments. I read your post but disagree with it. I am free to disagree with you aren't I?

I followed and talked to some who pulled out in front me. I didn't make any rude comments to him and explained what he did ENDANGERED MY LIFE. I encouraged him to look twice and keep an eye out for cyclists. He apologized and said he would take my comments to heart.

I doubt this would have happened if I turned him in to the police.

Sometimes you have to go to the source of the problem.
As we know, it does not always work. But it sure is gratifying when we are able to improve motorist awareness and behavior.

PlanoFuji seems to think cops are magic wands. Although it is too bad most of us do not have the Colorado Highway Patrol system that lets cyclist report incidents by the internet and the CHP sends out a warning letter to the motorist.
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I dunno. Probably not something I would do, and I guess I could see how some people see it as a little creepy... but personally, I have a hard time having a problem with someone bursting another's bubble of a perceived shield of anonymity that protects their actions. I think this is an overall good solution: One person let another person know that their actions are not acceptable, in a non-threatening and peaceful manner, and law enforcement didn't need to get involved (on the off-chance this person isn't who was driving the car, you better believe they'll be passing the email on to whoever it was, and they probably won't be too happy that people they are loaning their car to are pissing people off - it ain't their car that might get keyed). A beautiful example of people working out problems on their own. I think that person is much more likely to think twice about yelling at random strangers now that they'll always have a nagging voice in the back of their mind wondering if they might actually meet/see this person again. And they avoided needing to deal with police. Seems like a win-win to me, for the most part.

It reminds me of one time a friend of mine was riding to work and got honked and yelled at by a driver. Barely a mile up the road, they both turned into the same driveway... where his coworker got out of the car. He saw my friend roll up on his bike right behind him, and went white as a sheet. My friend just gave him a "Yeah, I know what you did" smile, and his very sheepish and now bright red coworker walked inside with him, mumbling some sort of apology.
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CB, in my mind the email approach is rather feckless. If you know this person, then you should simply speak to her, face-to-face. Your obvious diplomatic skills should make this a pleasant encounter, totally educational and life-changing for the hollering lady. But simply firing an email to the youth soccer site for her to stumble across when she next orders emails will in the end help nothing. If I were a board member on your region's board, I'd make sure you were a former board member/referee instructor/referee/grass mower for utilizing email related to the organization for this purpose.

Maybe if we spent less energy on childish "getting even" activities and just rode we could drop a degree or two of the stress levels this constant being offended creates.
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Oahu is a small island, and it sounds like OP and the motorist are not even living in Honolulu but a smaller city. This woman should have known better.

In my experience, drivers in Hawaii exhibit the aloha spirit and are not as time-crazed as those of us on the "big island". I guess there are always out-liers.
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