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look566 rider 12-18-13 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 16340248)
Minor point. Prosecutors may ask for a maximum sentence, but sentencing is the judge's job, not the prosecutor's. Also, I suspect that the guilty plea was entered after negotiation regarding the sentence. Judges are free to reject negotiated sentences, but rarely do so.

I am aware of this.

The prosecutor does convey the opinions of the people regarding feedback on such.

look566 rider 12-18-13 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffaloBud (Post 16340229)
My question is when is daddy going to get his for cutting out part of the windshield and disposing of it? Who replaces part of a windshield?

Give the prosecutor some time. Clear the daughter's case first. Then go after the dad. Just like the Steubenville football team **** case.

http://www.cleveland.com/steubenvill...dictments.html

B. Carfree 12-18-13 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 16340793)
Unless the murder statutes on Ohio are very different from those in new York, this is the highest charge possible. To charge or prove Murder there would have to be clear intent to do so. I doubt he could prove she had a grudge against her victim, or was just out hunting by car, so There's no intent as defined by the law.

Under the law, this crime is comparable with discharging a firearm randomely in a crowded area and killing someone or manslaughter, not murder.

I am supporting the charge of VOLUNTARY manslaughter, as opposed to the INVOLUNTARY manslaughter charge leveled. She wasn't just careless, she displayed glaring recklessness in both failing to wear her corrective lenses and being intoxicated with substances that she knew or should have known that when they are in her system she is not fit to drive.

SHBR 12-18-13 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16341753)
I am supporting the charge of VOLUNTARY manslaughter, as opposed to the INVOLUNTARY manslaughter charge leveled. She wasn't just careless, she displayed glaring recklessness in both failing to wear her corrective lenses and being intoxicated with substances that she knew or should have known that when they are in her system she is not fit to drive.

So how will this prevent someone else from making the same poor judgement?

This is another symptom of a much larger societal problem.

She is not alone in making those mistakes, I bet millions of others exhibit the same behavior on a daily basis.

Why was she on that medication in the first place would be my first question?

That medication seems to be the root cause of impairment, as well as a lack of knowledge and perhaps a lack of concern for other road users that might be affected by her impairment.

rydabent 12-19-13 08:50 AM

Killing someone with a car is just as bad as killing someone with a gun or a knife. In addition she wasnt wearing glasses and may have been under the influence of drugs. That makes it worse. She should get the max possible.

Also the father should be tried with tampering with evidence!

prooftheory 12-19-13 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SHBR (Post 16341832)
So how will this prevent someone else from making the same poor judgement?

This is another symptom of a much larger societal problem.

She is not alone in making those mistakes, I bet millions of others exhibit the same behavior on a daily basis.

Why was she on that medication in the first place would be my first question?

That medication seems to be the root cause of impairment, as well as a lack of knowledge and perhaps a lack of concern for other road users that might be affected by her impairment.

+1

The woman is suffering from diabetic neuropathy which pretty much means she is in pain all the time. People in this situation frequently commit suicide. The cocktail of drugs she is taking is so that she can get on with her life. What needs to happen is that doctors, pharmacists and other medical professionals need to be more clear that driving under these circumstances is not permitted or legal. Additionally there needs to be better health care infrastructure for allowing people to get on with their lives when they are not medically capable of driving. If people don't feel like they have any choice but to drive they will continue to drive even if it is illegal or dangerous.

Feldman 12-19-13 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16340603)
I've got to disagree with the prosecutor giving her involuntary manslaughter. She was stoned on meds that advise against driving. She was willfully not wearing her glasses that are required when she drives. That kind of reckless disregard for human life should warrant the maximum charges and sentence. I hope the judge at least considers what a bag of dirt she is when he sentences her, hopefully to consecutive maximums.

Agreed--there should be a charge that implies intent to kill. Drivers get off much too easily on this stuff. We also need, as a country, to spend money on mass transit as lavishly as we're willing to spend it on war--no person who is clearly, truly incompetent to drive, should feel like the "have to" drive. The alternatives should be too available, frequent, easy to use, and inexpensive to ignore.

look566 rider 02-24-14 12:07 PM

Finally senteced
 
Two Links below...

Bottom line 4.5 year sentence.

Local paper,

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-sentence.html

Steve Magas, bike lawyer...

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...16310091736573

mconlonx 02-24-14 01:19 PM

Have warnings on prescription drugs, perception of the danger of prescription pharmaceuticals, and liability regarding prescription pharmaceuticals been relaxed in the past few decades...?

Is this case a cause or a symptom? Should liability for this death end with father and daughter?

look566 rider 02-27-14 01:01 PM

Ridiculous letter to the editor..
 
From Columbus Dispatch letter to the editor,

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...ar8ji8-20.html

Unbelievable!

mconlonx 02-27-14 02:37 PM

Manslaughter, huh? So I guess it wasn't murder after all...

genec 02-27-14 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by look566 rider (Post 16532557)
From Columbus Dispatch letter to the editor,

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...ar8ji8-20.html

Unbelievable!

The comments pretty much tell the writer off. You have to admit it was a pretty brainless letter.

FBinNY 02-27-14 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 16532904)
Manslaughter, huh? So I guess it wasn't murder after all...

I'm sure definitions vary by state, but murder usually implies intent to kill, whereas manslaughter is killing someone without actually intending to, for example through criminal negligence.


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