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    Touring cyclist hit by driver and dies, in western Colorado

    Cross posting this from touring.

    Does anyone know of any cyclists touring through western Colorado?
    News story just came through.
    Just a few miles outside of Grand Junction, CO on Hwy 50.
    This road has a 12 foot wide shoulder

    UPDATE 4:30 P.M.: The cyclist, whose name has not been released, died at 4:12 p.m. as a result of injuries sustained from the accident, and a 29-year-old female driver of the Blazer has been taken into custody on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol, according to the Colorado State Patrol.

    Very sad.
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    DUI at 4:12PM on a Wednesday? She needs some help.

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    I once knew a retired state trooper who used to argue that DUI should carry the death penalty on the first offense. Cases like this make me think back to the arguments I had with him that such a policy was going a little too far for even my taste and was too draconian. Maybe he had a good point.

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    I hope they give the motorist way more than a meager month in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    I once knew a retired state trooper who used to argue that DUI should carry the death penalty on the first offense. Cases like this make me think back to the arguments I had with him that such a policy was going a little too far for even my taste and was too draconian. Maybe he had a good point.
    Was this a first offense? Seems like far too many DUI injuries/deaths are due to repeat offenders who have been given light sentences to begin with, or are driving without a license anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spivonious View Post
    DUI at 4:12PM on a Wednesday? She needs some help.
    Incident happened at about 1:30pm.

    Victim died at 4:12pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eofelis View Post
    Incident happened at about 1:30pm.

    Victim died at 4:12pm.

    Still needs help!

    That would be one very boozy and early lunch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    I once knew a retired state trooper who used to argue that DUI should carry the death penalty on the first offense. Cases like this make me think back to the arguments I had with him that such a policy was going a little too far for even my taste and was too draconian. Maybe he had a good point.

    this make me think of the one time I almost got a dui.
    Was at a bar with ten or so friends, we shut the place down and had about a $1,500 tab. Everyone left at about the same time, there was a lot of staggering to cars along main street(small Kansas college town).
    I had my bike in the back of my truck, I lived about a mile away. by the time I got my bike out of the truck, locked up, got all my lights and helmet in order I was the last one there, every one else had driven off.
    Crossed the street, got on my bike, rode about thirty feet and the cop car waiting in a nearby lot I was passing(with a perfect view of everyone leaving the bar)hit its lights and told me to stop and lay on the ground. Taken in for DUI but never actually arrested. Cops let me toss my bike in the bed of my truck. It was a strange night at the police station. Finally I got through to someone there that I had chosen to ride a bike rather than drive into some ones house at three AM with my full sized work truck. Cleverly did not mention the cops totally ignoring every one who drove away.

    I would have hated to have gotten the death penalty for that.

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    I think he just saw way too many innocent people that got killed by drunks slamming into them with cars. He claimed that if they did such (death penalty for DUI on first offense) that the same number or less people would get killed only it would be mainly drunk drivers getting killed instead of mainly innocents like it is now.

    As I said I argued the other side against him many times and considered the idea draconian (which is saying a lot if I consider a tough on crime law draconian). It's just some incidents like this that sometimes make me wonder if he didn't have a point. Hitting a cyclist while drunk out of your mind in the middle of the day while the cyclist is way off the side on a wide shoulder edge is just completely inexcusable.

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    If you strengthen DUI laws, you also have to strengthen "driving off" laws. If you fail to make "driving off" just as bad as a DUI, people will only have incentive to leave the scene, sober up, then MAYBE turn themselves in.

    But even with stronger laws, you still got to have the judge sentence them, you still have to get a DA willing to prosecute, and a jury willing to convict.

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    I wish that Jack Webb's description of the first second of a car wreck on Dragnet had been enough.
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    http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/artic...r-dui-hearing/

    Crash driver: Was late for DUI hearing

    (No, she was not late for the DUI hearing for this incident. She was late for a previous DUI incident when she struck the cyclist. What does it take to keep an impaired driver off the road?)



    “He was living life to the fullest, as he always did, when this tragedy occurred,” Cho’s brother wrote in a Facebook post Thursday.[/I]
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    I was sort of wondering what a drunk (drugged) driver was doing out where she was in the middle of the day. She was headed away from home. The road she was on, and the place where she was at was past most residences on that road. The next stop is at a town 30 miles away (Delta).

    If you want to look at this location on google maps it is near Hwy 50 at Kannah Creek Road or Bean Ranch Road. The site is about 1/2 mile south of the intersection and on an uphill. I have ridden this road several times on a loaded touring bike.

    We did go out there last evening. (To place the ghost bike.) And look the area over. The line of site distance eastbound to that location is over 1 mile.
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    poor guy, from the video looks like he got flipped back with his head impacting the windshield shredding the helmet, like a direct hit at highway speed. hope he didn't suffer, seems like his death would have been instantaneous.
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    He was life flighted to the local hospital and died a few hours later.
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    (10 Wheels, sorry I didn't realize about putting all the text in. Thx for editing it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    I once knew a retired state trooper who used to argue that DUI should carry the death penalty on the first offense. Cases like this make me think back to the arguments I had with him that such a policy was going a little too far for even my taste and was too draconian. Maybe he had a good point.
    I was an EMT and heavy rescue volunteer for about 7yrs, worked as a guard on a military post and was also a bouncer. When you see up close the toll for people being drunk it will change you.

    Prior to being an EMT, I never wore seatbelts and I did my share of driving when I shouldn't have. Seeing what happens definitely changed my habits and viewpoint on many things.

    I think our system in general is way too geared towards revenue generation with the fines and penalties, vs truly protecting the public and punishing those who commit crimes against the innocent. Our system is also structured to affect the poor in many cases. A DUI is something the wealthy can easily afford, as are cellphone tickets, but those who struggle can wind up severely impacted by the $10k cost of a first DUI in NJ. The system needs to be balanced to affect all, equally.

    A few things that would help.

    Enforce penalties for things that actually endanger people. Traffic violations like crossing into an oncoming lane, driving too slowly, failure to signal, texting, on the phone etc. All of those represent a real danger to others yet the political motivation isn't there to truly enforce them. Instead we do speeding, which is pure revenue stream, much easier to collect.

    With regard to the actual penalties, when they are financial they should be a percentage of assets or annual earnings, whichever is greater. This way people are being assessed an equal burden for their actions.

    Locally I listen to the police radio frequently and hear the operators of $60k+ vehicles with 40+ cellphone tickets in their history. Clearly the fine doesn't matter to them, but for the avg Joe, the $250 for the ticket, could really hurt them. That gap needs to be closed and you will have much more even public attention to the issues.

    I am not of the camp where being under the influence somehow forgives the consequences of the action. Nor do I believe an "accident" where someone is mowed down should go unpunished. There are "accidents" but very very few are truly unavoidable, more blame should be investigated and applied than exists now. An example, a provable mechanical failure of a car that causes it to go haywire and results in a death...accident. A driver who is well beyond the age of operating safely or simply too inattentive or incompetent, or uncoordinated to operate safely that mows someone down...not an accident.

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    Good Lord, I must be getting to be an old sentimental fool. I don't know why, but when I saw the picture of the Winnie the Pooh stuffed animal attached to Cho's handlebar and I started to cry. One moment we are happy, enjoying a nice ride on a beautiful and fairly safe setting and the next...well.

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    Please dont give me the crap about "first time DUI" when a first time DUI killer kills someone, it is the first time dead for the person that the irresponsible driver kills. There is no consideration given for being first time dead!!!!!

    Killing someone while DUI is murder IMO, and should do long hard time. There is simply no excuse that is logical or reasonable to excuse it.

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    I also believe that ANYONE that causes an accident while on a cell phone should lose their license for 6 months. It would be automatic, no liberal judge, no whining defence att or jury, could set it aside. Actually I would like to see the GPS chip in cell phone turn them off when they dectect them moving faster than 10 mph!!

    Get real here-------------is ANY phone call worth killing someone over????
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
    Still needs help!

    That would be one very boozy and early lunch...
    She's got nothing on the woman who slammed into a rider participating in a charity ride in NJ a few years ago. It was before noon when, 3/4 in the bag, she drifted onto a very wide shoulder of a bridge over a bay and struck the guy from behind. His bike was still at the scene when I rode by. I was a twisted mess.

    He survived. She left the scene. A basic description of the vehicle led local police to suspect a local woman who apparently had a history of DUI. They went to her nearby house not long after the accident and arrested her. She was drunk and her vehicle had recent damage. IIRC, she owned up to it.

    Wonder if she's still on the rode, legally or not. NJ is pretty tought when it comes to suspending your license even on the first offense. However, simply suspending someone's license is not enough, IMO. A drunk guy in NJ was invlolved in a crash earlier in the year. I think he killed someone. He had something like 9 prior DUI convictions over many years. His license had been suspended but he was still driving and driving drunk.

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    I like kingsqueak's post. I vaguely remember reading of some country where the speeding fine was a percentage of the driver's income, or net worth, or something like that. It would be complicated to figure out, but if there is a way it would work to actually punish everybody more alike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    ...I would like to see the GPS chip in cell phone turn them off when they detect them moving faster than 10 mph!!
    That is the most absolutely brilliant idea I've ever heard to help get this situation under control. Totally feasible also. The technology exists already. One may argue that is wouldn't work on the oceans, but GPS technology is such that those areas could easily be "blacked out". People on lakes and rivers might be pissed, but again what is the cost of a life? Fantastic idea! Now, how can we get our legislators on board and get something worthwhile done?
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    @ kingsqueak


    I can't disagree with most of what you posted, with one major exception:

    . . . Enforce penalties for things that actually endanger people. Traffic violations like . . . driving too slowly . . .
    I'm really, really, really, really, really, sick and tired almost to the point of puking about claims that people driving too slowly cause "accidents" (in quotes for a reason) by doing so when rather it is the impatient speed demon slime who truly cause the collisions by their acts of gross criminal negligence in the operation of a dangerous machine around other innocent people. So far I have had that exact BS accusations libeled against me multiple times both on the street to the officers called to the scene and in court. Several times it was a case of me only driving the speed limit, other times it was a case of me slowing down below the speed limit due to road conditions that made it unsafe to drive faster, including cases where I slowed down to the suggested speed on those yellow signs before sharp corners. And, yes indeed, a few times because I as a cyclist was only going about 20-mph and taking the lane because the road did not have a ride-able shoulder edge and the lanes were too narrow for an automobile vehicle to pass a cyclist within the lane.

    I've had to rebuild the rear bumper on my 2-ton farm truck several times as a direct result of 4-wheel speed demon maniacs slamming into my rear end as I slow down around corners and they fly around them so fast they can't stop in time and either have to have a head-on with oncoming traffic or slam into my rear end because they didn't even bother to slow down to the speed limit much less slow down properly for a blind corner so as to not be over-driving their visibility around the corner. Going around a blind corner any faster then the maximum speed that allows you to come to a complete stop in time to avoid hitting a stalled vehicle stopped just around the corner is an act of criminal negligence and I do not knowingly and willfully operate a dangerous automobile vehicle machine with that kind of criminal negligence, especially a big heavy 2+ ton truck with a 8'x20' flat bed loaded to its full cargo weight.

    It just completely flabbergasts me that a cyclist or an EMT would hold to this "driving too slowly" BS. Especially and individual that is both. Speed is what kills and any driver must be fully prepared to come to a complete emergency stop in time to avoid hitting even a fully stopped stalled vehicle in the lane in front of them much less a vehicle that instead of being fully stopped or stalled is merely just going slower.

    Don't get me wrong, I would agree that someone shouldn't be allowed to just simply stop and park their vehicle right in the middle of the road or to drive very, very slowly without any reason for doing so except that they enjoy ticking other people off. But even in such extreme cases it is still not the person going slow or stopped that gets people killed it is the idiots driving too fast to safely avoid such hazards that is the one doing the killing by the dangerous criminally negligent manner in which they are operating a potentially lethal machine around innocent people. They have the primary responsibility.

    More importantly it deeply concerns me that you didn't even mention "driving too fast" in your post. If you had mentioned both then at least it could be interpreted that you have a somewhat balanced approach, but your choice to mention driving too slowly and not mention driving too fast clearly demonstrates your bias towards supporting the speed demon slime who butcher thousands upon thousands of innocents every year on our roadways.
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