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rydabent 09-23-13 06:52 AM

Condolences to the families. Second I see no reason what so ever that the driver shouldnt be setting in jail. He is a killer just like any other killer that uses a gun or a knife. He used a car!!!!!

spivonious 09-23-13 07:45 AM

Hopefully NH laws are strong enough to charge her with something more than distracted driving. She needs to be off the road.

genec 09-23-13 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by vol (Post 16094007)
Unbelievable.

Guess from now on I shall always ride with the assumption that all drivers are texting and therefore unpredictable.

I made that assumption a few years ago after one too many close calls that should not have been a close call. I stick to low speed residential roads and bike paths these days.... a sad state of affairs for someone that bike commuted since the late '70s. Drivers are too many, too fast, and too distracted in my area for me to trust... and my reaction times are not getting any better.

Metaluna 09-23-13 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spectastic (Post 16094107)
wow. and nobody's pressing charges at the moment? I guess they're busy grieving.

that's ridiculous

I think part of the problem is nobody seems to know exactly what happened, and the police may still be sorting out the eyewitness accounts and figuring out what to charge her with.

In one comment section (I think it was in one of the articles at the Hampton Patch website), someone claiming to be the mother of an eyewitness said that the driver appeared to pull out suddenly from a line of stopped cars and accelerate, like she was attempting to pass. This is incredibly illegal and stupid on that part of the roadway. If this is the case, she is f***ked, and can't use the usual "I didn't see them, the sun was in my eyes, herp derp" excuses.

squirtdad 09-23-13 12:13 PM

it is totally routine not to charge someone until a complete investigation is done. Among other things once a person is charged, the timer on things like a rapid trial start. Taking time up front to get all the details and charge at the max to start with, rather than charging low and trying to amend later results in more convictions as I understand it.

Not charging does not = not going to be charged. It is not charged yet.

zac 09-23-13 12:14 PM

Police: Driver in fatal NH crash had no license
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion...had_no_license

mconlonx 09-23-13 12:21 PM

I worked the Kittery ME Ft. McClary rest stop as a volunteer mechanic on Sunday. Turnout was very, very low. Participants can ride either Saturday or Sunday (or both), and rain was forecast for Sunday, so quite a few of the riders started Sat. And then the accident on top of the rain prediction and right out downpour conditions right before the start on Sunday. 1200 riders started Sat AM; 40 riders started Sun AM...

PatrickGSR94 09-23-13 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by seeker333 (Post 16090192)
http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/bosto...l/-/index.html

It's hard to believe this could happen on such a short bridge with wide shoulders and a center passing lane:

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=U...4715,-70.85239

Wrong bridge I think, actually doesn't appear to be a bridge there on Route 1.

Route 1A is here:

http://goo.gl/maps/OZMNk

MikeM21 09-23-13 01:19 PM

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articl...NEWS-130929922

Not a licensed driver! Stopped for speeding and released 8 hours earlier. No words!

PatrickGSR94 09-23-13 01:37 PM

Just unbelievable.

Popeyecahn 09-23-13 01:59 PM

I presume they took Ms. Hess to Portsmouth Regional to look for signs of brain activity...

Sad, very sad for those families and friends of the deceased.

Note to self, I need to stop reading these posts, they only serve to infuriate me and feed the anxiety. Life is life, make of it what you will as it's given to you and then taken away. Sometimes you are the guiding hand in that finality, sometimes not. Strive to not be that guiding hand.

genec 09-23-13 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zac (Post 16095841)
Police: Driver in fatal NH crash had no license
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion...had_no_license

Worse, she had been stopped earlier and told to wait for a licensed driver to take the vehicle home...

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did not have a license and had been stopped hours earlier for speeding.

mconlonx 09-23-13 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spivonious (Post 16094769)
Hopefully NH laws are strong enough to charge her with something more than distracted driving. She needs to be off the road.

Violation of 3' passing law?

Metaluna 09-23-13 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 (Post 16095978)
Wrong bridge I think, actually doesn't appear to be a bridge there on Route 1.
.
Route 1A is here:

http://goo.gl/maps/OZMNk

Yep, that's the right bridge.

side_FX 09-23-13 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by genec (Post 16096291)
Worse, she had been stopped earlier and told to wait for a licensed driver to take the vehicle home...

I just read the story...I am still shaking with anger at this. HOW was this person allowed to be on the raod to kill two people??

I can't even think straight at the moment at the "wtf-ness" of the series of these events. My thoughts and prayers to family and friends of the injured and deceased.

Chicago Al 09-23-13 05:51 PM

What a travesty. And if you read the newspaper article, don't read the comments. There's no one (yet) saying the cyclists are at fault but NH has some bizarre political leanings apparently; there are multiple comments that the driver 'must be an illegal' and someone attempts to blame Obamacare.

mconlonx 09-23-13 05:53 PM

One of the articles stated that if she had been driving with a suspended license, she'd have been arrested, but no license is apparently just an infraction. She was pulled over for doing 59 in a 30... which leads me to believe she was actually going faster and the cop did her a "favor" by knocking it down a few mph to get it under reckless speeding (+30mph), with mandatory arrest. (<-- pure conjecture not based on facts) That cop's gonna have some 'splainin' to do...

This is the next town south of the one where the Chief stood in the middle of the road, trying to get a group ride to stop. Riders cycling more than two abreast is a continuing issue.

That some chuckleheads want to use this issue as some kind of illustration regarding any kind of cyclist/motorist beef is just sick.

Chris516 09-23-13 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Metaluna (Post 16091525)
I was on the ride and arrived at the bridge just as the emergency vehicles were responding. The police had already closed the bridge by then, so I didn't see anything. I don't have much information to add, other than to contradict what a previous poster said about the bridge. It is not a wide bridge with shoulders and a center lane. It is extremely narrow, with no shoulders, and a grid deck in the center of the span (it is a drawbridge). Google Street View will give you a good idea what it's like. There is a narrow sidewalk on one side, which I often walk my bike across in the summer, because it is absolutely terrifying to cross this bridge with angry tourists packing the lanes in both directions. But the sidewalk is on the northbound side, so if you're heading south, good luck crossing the road to get to/from the walkway. That's probably more dangerous than riding across.

It is extremely sad that this happened on the 40th year of this very popular ride. What's especially puzzling is that there is a heavy police presence on the north side of the bridge, because the start of the ride is right there. There is a cop stationed there at all times, stopping traffic to let riders leave the parking lot and make the left onto the bridge. Since the reports say she crossed into the northbound lane, she would have been heading south, meaning she must have driven right by the police officer. At that time of the morning there would have been many bikes on the road. There's no way she could have been surprised by cyclists on the bridge.

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Originally Posted by MikeM21 (Post 16096019)
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articl...NEWS-130929922

Not a licensed driver! Stopped for speeding and released 8 hours earlier. No words!

This is just pathetic!!! The Dep. Police Chief's excuse for not arresting her, when she was caught in a lie about not having a drivers' license is despicable!!!:mad:

eofelis 09-23-13 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris516 (Post 16097185)
This is just pathetic!!! The Dep. Police Chief's excuse for not arresting her, when she was caught in a lie about not having a drivers' license is despicable!!!:mad:

Is she the mayor's daughter or something?? sheesh.

B. Carfree 09-23-13 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 16096918)
One of the articles stated that if she had been driving with a suspended license, she'd have been arrested, but no license is apparently just an infraction. She was pulled over for doing 59 in a 30... which leads me to believe she was actually going faster and the cop did her a "favor" by knocking it down a few mph to get it under reckless speeding (+30mph), with mandatory arrest. (<-- pure conjecture not based on facts) That cop's gonna have some 'splainin' to do...

I head up my neighborhood association (4300 households). We had a cop come to one of our meetings and explain why he gives warnings to scofflaw motorists instead of writing them citations. He said he, "doesn't want them to feel bad by giving them a $300 ticket." He didn't respond when I asked him if he will feel bad when the motorist he lets off kills someone's daughter/mother/father/son.

We desperately need real traffic law enforcement with real consequences. Yes, even for cyclists. I've lived with zero-tolerance traffic law enforcement and I've lived with zero traffic law enforcement. The former is much better when one is in the saddle and gets more people to get into the saddle.

dynodonn 09-23-13 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16097584)
We had a cop come to one of our meetings and explain why he gives warnings to scofflaw motorists instead of writing them citations.


I had a conversation with a local highway patrol officer some years back, he boiled it down, giving warnings had little effect on driver behavior, when the warnings turned into citations and fines, there was a dramatic change in driver behavior.

side_FX 09-24-13 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eofelis (Post 16097541)
Is she the mayor's daughter or something?? sheesh.

I'm not sure what a "selectman" is in NH, but it is some sort of mayoral/govt. position. Acording to the website of the town where this accident occurred, the board of selectmen is the "executive and administrative arm of town government". The vice-chairman in the town has the same last name as the driver. Imagine that? That may explain why certain things may have played out that way. Quite frankly, I don't think family connections will save you when you kill two people and seriously injure two more while driving without a liscence. Just my opinion.

mconlonx 09-24-13 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by side_FX (Post 16099013)
I'm not sure what a "selectman" is in NH, but it is some sort of mayoral/govt. position. Acording to the website of the town where this accident occurred, the board of selectmen is the "executive and administrative arm of town government". The vice-chairman in the town has the same last name as the driver. Imagine that? That may explain why certain things may have played out that way. Quite frankly, I don't think family connections will save you when you kill two people and seriously injure two more while driving without a liscence. Just my opinion.

Board of Selectmen is like Town Council in other places -- board of people elected from the community. Not sure how many people on Hampton's board, but probably 5-7 or so.

I don't know that there is any connection at all, but if the driver is a daughter of the Selectman and the cop let her off easy with the speeding stop beforehand with that knowledge... things could go downhill fast for all involved.

eofelis 09-24-13 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by side_FX (Post 16099013)
I'm not sure what a "selectman" is in NH, but it is some sort of mayoral/govt. position. Acording to the website of the town where this accident occurred, the board of selectmen is the "executive and administrative arm of town government". The vice-chairman in the town has the same last name as the driver. Imagine that? That may explain why certain things may have played out that way. Quite frankly, I don't think family connections will save you when you kill two people and seriously injure two more while driving without a liscence. Just my opinion.

That's a good lead, but maybe not. (read to bottom of article)

genec 09-24-13 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by eofelis (Post 16097541)
Is she the mayor's daughter or something?? sheesh.

Well, she is cute... I guess a wink and a nod are all it takes for some...


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