I have yet to see any statistics showing an increase in accidents correlating to the increase of mobile communication devices, despite my personal observation and the recorded observations of others as to the despicable lack of attention to driving while using such devices. Thats not to say that there is not a corresponding increase in accidents, just that I have not seen any. Not talking about blogs and references to "expert" opinions, but actual accident rate data.
Makes me wonder if perhaps people will find a way to get distracted and crash no matter whats legal or not, or what devices are available or not.
FWIW, I've been riding to and from work 2-3 times a week. The entire trip is on the carriageways - no sidewalks or even trails involved. It's fun, it's healthy and it's environment-friendly. I thoroughly enjoy myself and have no plan to stop doing it.
There are plenty of stats on texting accidents available-Here are some numbers- of course you will NEVER actually KNOW(99.99 probability) how many accidents are caused by cell phone and texting
BECAUSE NO ONE IS STUPID ENOUGH TO ADMIT THEY WERE TEXTING OR JABBERING before the crash.
So the data the naysayers will want-is IMPOSSIBLE to get-unless you are gullible enough to think folks don't lie
In any case here is one groups guess-Oh I still ride on streets- 62 yo-I will die from an MI or cancer just like you guys will-few of you will die from trauma-cars wrecks falls wife girlfriend boyfriend shooting/stabbing you etc
The estimate of 25% of all crashes -- or 1.4 million crashes -- involving cell phone use was derived from NHTSA data showing 11% of drivers at any one time are using cell phones and from peer-reviewed research reporting cell phone use increases crash risk by four times. The estimate of an additional minimum 3% of crashes -- or 200,000 crashes -- involving texting was derived by NHTSA data showing 1% of drivers at any one time are manipulating their device in ways that include texting and from research reporting texting increases crash risk by 8 times. Using the highest risk for texting reported by research of 23 times results in a maximum of 1 million crashes attributable to texting; still less than the 1.4 million crashes involving other cell phone use.
Meh. In Portland most cycling fatalities were due to right hooks (often in bike lanes) or drunk cagers. To avoid right hooks I take the lane. To avoid drunks I avoid arterials between 12-3 am.
The hiway safety people have posted stats that says using a cell phone especially while texting is more dangerous than drunk driving.
This is a fun and colorful info page. http://www.textinganddrivingsafety.c...driving-stats/
I am also finding it difficult to get back on the road after being hit. I have zero confidence that people are driving with enough care or attention. All it takes is a lack of focus for a split second or a driver's bad decision and you are on the ground, broken.
Some states still do not even have laws on the books that limit the use of "mobile communication devices..." so why would they even bother to determine if a mobile communication device was the cause of a collision.
Hey, I bet if you look back in the past, you'll see the similar denials made about alcohol use too... including different states having different levels of DUI/DWI, even allowing for "open containers" in the vehicle.
Yup, bunch of characters...
No doubt some folks need a smoking cell phone or empty beer can before their doubts are erased...
So do you think there is a "cell phone involved" check block on collision reports?
Hey ILTB, do you actually have to run into a brick wall at 15MPH to know that it might hurt? Or can that be "extrapolated?"
As an initial study, all that needs to be proven is that the rate of accidents is increasing. If the rate of accidents is not increasing then there are only two possibilities, that since cell phone and testing are increasing they are not causing accidents, or the is an offsetting factor which offsets the amount of accidents which are caused by cell phones. IF the rate of accidents is increasing then follow-up studies on reasons for the increase in accident rates, such as:
Also there is a number af natural experiments currently available, you can compare the rate of accidents before and after the enactment of no cell use laws in states that have done so, to the accident rates in states which have not enacted such laws. You would thereby be able to deduce if there is an increase in accidents caused by cell phone use. Offsetting the conclusions of such a study would be the lack of compliance to no use phone laws.
These are not overly difficult studies to do, they use common econometric techniques to separate cause and effect in multi-variable systems. For those of you that refuse to believe that statistical techniques work, well, more power to ya, but you are wrong.
There are risks associated with every aspect of our life. Most of us are more likely to die from Heart problems, Diabetes or Cancer.
Worrying excessively about what "may" happen serves no useful purpose.
I have ridden, both on and off road for 40 years. I am fortunate to not have had any serious accidents, I have had friend that have had some run ins with cars. However, I personally know more people that have had car accidents, some deadly. So you can't say that Cycling the road is inherently more dangerous.
I also rode snowmobiles for a period of time. I actually witnessed a novice drive off a trail into a tree. Serious injuries.
Anytime you step out your front door to enjoy a recreational activity, you face the uncertainties of chance.
Scuba diving? hunting? Fishing? Hiking? Rock Climbing? there are many, many, stories of people who received critical injuries from any of these activities.
So, what can you do? Try to be aware as much as you can, realize that there are hazards out there, and that nothing you do will prevent the freak accidents, or the inattentive drivers, I am more worried about the vindictive driver.
I am mostly riding with a group of about 15-20 riders, so our mass provides a little buffer from some of the problems. But, the group riding brings its own challenges, as my friend found out a couple weeks ago when a new rider clipped his rear wheel and he went down at 25mph.
Ride safe, be happy, enjoy the time you have.
So, does that mean you don't drive any longer? Do you feel safer in your car? even though you are travelling faster and statistically more likely to die in an auto accident?
And what about the accidents where the driver hits a house? or business? You cannot escape fate.
Should these stats be collected? Will they be, someday? If they are, how are they being collected? That's all worth discussing.
It reminds me of the folks who say that putting a blinkie on your bike is just asking for drunks to run you over. The argument is that drunks can't help but succumb to the "moth effect" and are drawn to the cyclist. Are there studies and statistics to back up this claim? Maybe, but I want to know how they reached those statistics. Did they interview drunk drivers who plowed into flashing lights? Was there a check box for "I was drawn to the flashing lights because I was drunk." ?
Yes, I continue to drive/commute and I am stressed because of it. I feel a little safer in the car as my vehicle does afford me some safety features that my bicycle does not. This happened last week on my route: http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna...j/-/index.html
Have you ever been injured? I mean really injured and suffered pain because of someone else being careless or driving recklessly? Sure, it's an odds game and statistics come into play. I also believe that when it's your time, it's your time but don't you agree that the statistics can improve when people stop dicking around behind the wheel?
Reminds me of the people who cannot or will not make any distinction on the dangers and/or physical effects of ANY use of any recreational drug and condemn the use of all as being equally evil. Perhaps Genec, et al. remember the Public Service Announcements sponsored/encouraged by various Federal organizations and very top officials about the OMG!! Dangers of the use of marijuana and how how it will fry and scramble brains.
Lack of evidence and even negative evidence seldom gets in the way of a moral crusader with an agenda.