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vol 09-25-13 09:58 PM

Nursing student hit by hit-and-run drunk driver on bike lane 1 block from home, dead
 
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"A 21-year-old nursing student has died after a drunk driver plowed into her as she cycled home from the library after a day of studying.

"Kristina Chesterman, from Livermore, California, was left brain dead by the horrific accident just a block from her home near the Chico State University campus, her distraught mother said.

"On Tuesday, her devastated family said their goodbyes as they made the agonizing decision to switch off her life support and donate her organs."

rydabent 09-26-13 06:46 AM

Forty years in prison without the possibility of parole is about right for that fool.

MattInFla 09-26-13 06:49 AM

A senseless loss. It irritates me to no end when people refer to DUI collisions as "accidents". There's not a single damn thing "accidental" about getting drunk and getting into a car. It's a premeditated act, and should be treated that way.

rumrunn6 09-26-13 07:43 AM

so sad, her whole life in front of her, and sounds like such a good kid

Number400 09-26-13 07:50 AM

My heart goes out to the families. I just deleted my rant about drinking and driving...I ****ing hate drunk drivers.

MattInFla 09-26-13 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Number400 (Post 16105529)
My heart goes out to the families. I just deleted my rant about drinking and driving...I ****ing hate drunk drivers.

Copy that. Spent 15 years in EMS dealing with the aftermath of drunk drivers. Can't express my true feelings about them on this family friendly forum.

Chris516 09-26-13 12:25 PM

Very sad.

volosong 09-27-13 06:55 PM

Man . . . I'm PISSED!!!

Why do we have to learn about this from a British on-line publication???


Davis is a very bike-friendly town. On the forefront of cycling infrastructure. The poor girl was in the bike lane.


WHEN IS THIS COUNTRY GOING TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT DRUNK DRIVING??? AND, HIT-AND-RUN DRIVING??? Isn't it about time that we, as a citizen population, put pressure on our legislators and judges to address this crisis.


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So very sad for the family. And the loss of such a promising life.

agent pombero 09-27-13 08:02 PM

We need a fast track execution system for people like this. They deserve immediate death, to be carried out in 4 months or less after a maximum of two appeals requests, to not only right what was wrong, but to keep the rest of the decent public safe from the harm these dangerous drunk punks cause when they get into their 4000 pound weapon blitzed. This fast track system would also have the added benefit of saving taxpayers a lot of money in housing costs for 5+ years.

I-Like-To-Bike 09-27-13 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by agent pombero (Post 16111272)
We need a fast track execution system for people like this. They deserve immediate death, to be carried out in 4 months or less after a maximum of two appeals requests, to not only right what was wrong, but to keep the rest of the decent public safe from the harm these dangerous drunk punks cause when they get into their 4000 pound weapon blitzed. This fast track system would also have the added benefit of saving taxpayers a lot of money in housing costs for 5+ years.

Is this your idea of bicycling advocacy or jurisprudence, or both? Do you expect anything you post to be taken seriously by anybody besides bloodthirsty nut cases?

daihard 09-27-13 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Number400 (Post 16105529)
My heart goes out to the families. I just deleted my rant about drinking and driving...I ****ing hate drunk drivers.

Totally agreed. Losing a loved one is horrible enough. And in the hands of a drunk driver. Don't know what to say.

JoeyBike 09-28-13 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16111593)
Is this your idea of bicycling advocacy or jurisprudence, or both? Do you expect anything you post to be taken seriously by anybody besides bloodthirsty nut cases?

A survey long ago showed that in my city roughly 50% of all motorists are drunk behind the wheel at any given time. Not New Years Day, not Labor Day Weekend - ANY given day. This is why I look at commuting as "going to war" and treat my ride as a survival mission behind enemy lines. Many who don't take this serious attitude end up brain dead (no judgement about the young lady in the story as I do not know her level of wariness).

Seems there are all types of "nutcases" in the world. Some of us wish for action to be taken on the front end i.e., "lock them up forever or fry them" and others (me) deal with the facts on the ground in order to survive the day by altering my actions. Other nutcases just shoot out random critiques on B.F.

Dahon.Steve 09-28-13 08:09 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ycle-home.html

Here's the story. Incredible.

agent pombero 09-28-13 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16111593)
Is this your idea of bicycling advocacy or jurisprudence, or both? Do you expect anything you post to be taken seriously by anybody besides bloodthirsty nut cases?

Let me know how you feel when someone you love has had their existence wiped out by a drunk punk and then see how you feel when said drunk punk gets out of jail in just 4 years and then heads back to jail for another DUI just 6 months later.

vol 09-28-13 12:37 PM

At least the family is asking for maximum sentence for the driver. I really have trouble admiring families of victims of crimes who say they forgive the criminals who killed their loved ones.

Can you imagine when you are sitting in the library that in a little while you would become a brain dead vegetable, 1 block from your home, doing what you had been doing every day?

GuyWood 09-28-13 01:40 PM

How terribly sad, RIP Kristina :(.

KonAaron Snake 09-29-13 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by agent pombero (Post 16112216)
Let me know how you feel when someone you love has had their existence wiped out by a drunk punk and then see how you feel when said drunk punk gets out of jail in just 4 years and then heads back to jail for another DUI just 6 months later.

None of which justifies advocating for the rules that made Stalin so charming. There's a reason we have due process and limits on Government power.

rydabent 09-29-13 06:41 AM

Drunk driving or driving while on a cell phone and killing someone is premeditated murder in my book. It should be treated as such.

ItsJustMe 09-29-13 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 16114282)
Drunk driving or driving while on a cell phone and killing someone is premeditated murder in my book. It should be treated as such.

Also drunk driving after having been previously convicted. You've shown that you're incapable of making rational decisions about your capabilities when drunk, so either remove your ability to drive when drunk (IE don't drive to the bar or wherever in the first place so you have to take the same method back) or get professional help with your problem. If you decide to continue the same behavior then you have just demonstrated that you feel that your desire to get drunk outweighs the lives of innocent people, and therefore you're basically a murderer. You've taken an intentional decision to devalue human life. Or you're a moron who doesn't think these things through. Either way you should not be allowed to run free.

B. Carfree 09-29-13 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe (Post 16114299)
Also drunk driving after having been previously convicted. You've shown that you're incapable of making rational decisions about your capabilities when drunk, so either remove your ability to drive when drunk (IE don't drive to the bar or wherever in the first place so you have to take the same method back) or get professional help with your problem. If you decide to continue the same behavior then you have just demonstrated that you feel that your desire to get drunk outweighs the lives of innocent people, and therefore you're basically a murderer. You've taken an intentional decision to devalue human life. Or you're a moron who doesn't think these things through. Either way you should not be allowed to run free.

A couple of district attorneys in SoCal are taking this to heart. When they convict someone of drunk driving, they force them to sign a declaration that acknowledges their awareness of the high risk of killing someone if they choose to drive drunk. On more than one occasion, that declaration has been used to convict the drunk of second degree murder when they subsequently drove drunk and killed someone.

I'd like to see such a declaration be part of the licensing procedure so that a first offense results in a murder conviction. Same with distracted driving and speeding.

I-Like-To-Bike 09-29-13 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16114308)
A couple of district attorneys in SoCal are taking this to heart. When they convict someone of drunk driving, they force them to sign a declaration that acknowledges their awareness of the high risk of killing someone if they choose to drive drunk. On more than one occasion, that declaration has been used to convict the drunk of second degree murder when they subsequently drove drunk and killed someone.

I'd like to see such a declaration be part of the licensing procedure so that a first offense results in a murder conviction. Same with distracted driving and speeding.

Sounds like you want to team up with the bicycling advocacy duo of the Queen of Hearts and the Mad Hatter to form a lynch mob. Is it your also opinion that driving infractions are capital offenses and violators are far move evil and profane than the worst serial killers and terrorist bombers and should be given the harshest sentence in the land?

Even Stalin wasn't prepared to put a murder conviction/death sentence on the majority of the population.

howsteepisit 09-29-13 12:23 PM

+1 to ILTB - The extremist idiocy being spouted on this forum lately is appalling. IT beyond my ability to even comment its so rank.

Edit According to the nhtsa excess speed is involved to some 11000-12000 traffic fatalities per year. For Becarfree , thats in excess of 30 state sponsored executions each and every day of the year - What a incredibly stupid concept.

Dchiefransom 09-29-13 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MattInFla (Post 16105352)
A senseless loss. It irritates me to no end when people refer to DUI collisions as "accidents". There's not a single damn thing "accidental" about getting drunk and getting into a car. It's a premeditated act, and should be treated that way.

Yet, drivers under the influence had a diminished capacity when they made the decision to drive, and when the collision occurred. We treat them more severely in court than a sober person that was not diminished at the time of the collision.

dynaryder 09-29-13 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsJustMe (Post 16114299)
Also drunk driving after having been previously convicted. You've shown that you're incapable of making rational decisions about your capabilities when drunk, so either remove your ability to drive when drunk (IE don't drive to the bar or wherever in the first place so you have to take the same method back) or get professional help with your problem. If you decide to continue the same behavior then you have just demonstrated that you feel that your desire to get drunk outweighs the lives of innocent people, and therefore you're basically a murderer. You've taken an intentional decision to devalue human life. Or you're a moron who doesn't think these things through. Either way you should not be allowed to run free.

+1 It amazes me that someone can get multiple DUI's and still drive.

I don't want this to devolve into a political debate,but I think it's pretty messed up that the Constitution says you can have a gun,but if you're convicted of a crime with a gun they'll take them away. But driving is only a privilege,yet people get DUI's,reckless driving,and even injure kill others,and yet are still able to drive.

If you do something that kills someone else do to negligence/stupidity,you should be barred from doing that for life,whatever that activity may be.

B. Carfree 09-29-13 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16114923)
Sounds like you want to team up with the bicycling advocacy duo of the Queen of Hearts and the Mad Hatter to form a lynch mob. Is it your also opinion that driving infractions are capital offenses and violators are far move evil and profane than the worst serial killers and terrorist bombers and should be given the harshest sentence in the land?

Even Stalin wasn't prepared to put a murder conviction/death sentence on the majority of the population.

So, you think the driving privilege should extend to allowing people to ignore the training they allegedly received and behave in a way that slaughters tens of thousands of innocent people and maims millions per year without serious consequences and anyone who disagrees should be compared to some maniac dictator. What's the Stalin version of Godwin's Law? This, in spite of the fact that deadly motorists in this country are making real inroads into catching up to Stalin's death count. I argue that the operation of deadly machines in the public space should be restricted to those who have proper training and follow said training and that failure to do so should have serious, known consequences for the scofflaws. I agree that the majority of Americans do not concur. I'd love to hear some cogent arguments against such a proposition, but so far none are forthcoming.

As far as the lynch mob statement, get a grip. Nowhere do I advocate for a loss of due process rights for the accused. In fact, I argue for motorists to be greater informed of the consequences of their lawless actions.


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