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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Lack of diversity.
    Got any figures to show that ownership of bikes is well diversified?

    Around here the folks that tend to use bikes as their only means of transportation tend to do so for a few reasons: exercise, ecology and economy. The last group doesn't tend to enter events that cost money.

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    As far as the "serious biker" vs the "DUI guy", in my neck of the woods a big distinction between the stereotypical "wanna"ride and the "hasta"ride is largely drawn across immigration status. There is also economic considerations driving many to cycle. The whole DUI demographic probably is not a majority of these riders. There does seem to be some effective education going on in that community since I see fewer of them riding salmon as I did in years past.
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Got any figures to show that ownership of bikes is well diversified?
    It's one thing to claim that bicycling groups are not sufficiently "diversified". It's quite another to claim that "insisting on helmet use" is done to intentionally reduce diversity.

    There Major Talor Cycling Clubs throughout the country (I count 9 of them). Are there any in Iowa?.

    If helmets are a way of keeping-out the "wrong kind of cyclists" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), somebody should inform them that they are doing it wrong!

    http://majortaylorclub.com/

    (I suppose one could argue that these clubs are not "diverse"!)

    (The story of Major Taylor is interesting.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Taylor
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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    It's one thing to claim that bicycling groups are not sufficiently "diversified". It's quite another to claim that "insisting on helmet use" is done to intentionally reduce diversity.

    There Major Talor Cycling Clubs throughout the country (I count 9 of them). Are there any in Iowa?.

    If helmets are a way of keeping-out the "wrong kind of cyclists" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), somebody should inform them that they are doing it wrong!

    http://majortaylorclub.com/

    (I suppose one could argue that these clubs are not "diverse"!)

    (The story of Major Taylor is interesting.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Taylor
    I've ridden with some of the local MT's here in San Diego, and their ethnic makeup tends to reflect the ethnic makeup of the region as a whole, which probably gives them a higher percentage of African American riders than other local clubs. Serious roadies who are black are fairly common here, though still seem to me to be disproportionately under represented. This is anecdotal of course, as I don't even know if there is real data on this.
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuteCommando View Post
    I've ridden with some of the local MT's here in San Diego, and their ethnic makeup tends to reflect the ethnic makeup of the region as a whole, which probably gives them a higher percentage of African American riders than other local clubs. Serious roadies who are black are fairly common here, though still seem to me to be disproportionately under represented. This is anecdotal of course, as I don't even know if there is real data on this.
    That matches my observations as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardmasoner View Post
    Hi all,

    Do your local bike advocacy groups, bike clubs and bike events look like the communities they take place in?

    I'd especially like to hear about stories in which you successfully engage or include groups who aren't typically thought of in the American context as "real cyclists" - i.e. people of color, recent immigrants, women, lower income, etc.
    Can't report any such stories because I've never seen any such bicycle event. What I have seen are represented by the pictures below.

    Pictures taken at the finish line of RAGBRAI 2009 and 2013. This event has participants from all 50 states and numerous foreign countries. As far as I know no discrimination of any kind is used in selecting participants. Make your own judgements about diversity. To answer your question there appeared to be a good turnout of women. Otherwise very little diversity.

    This well publicized event is not an advocacy event but the appearance of the participants do not look much different than any advocacy event/charity ride or any other large gathering of cyclists that I ever saw that had been organized by personnel from bicycling clubs or with an eye towards attracting the membership of bicycling clubs; just a lot more participation of the same old, same old "Real Cyclist" population, and "diversity" is not usually an issue for the participants or organizers.

    2009 RAGBRAI finish line, cyclists waiting their turn to dip wheel in Mississippi


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    Atlanta has a sizeable african-american bicycling presence in advocacy groups. South Carolina & Augusta GA however, organized cycling groups are as white as you can get. And yes, I do think some racism is to play (much like a missing persons case), an example. Black guy in downtown Columbia SC gets hit and killed. No memorial ride or anything from the local cycling community. White guy gets hit and killed and there is a memorial ride for him and the cycling community is outraged. Same with Augusta, GA, doctor who was a cyclist gets killed in Aiken County, huge memorial ride, homeless african-american guy in downtown Augusta gets killed riding a bicycle, nothing for him.

    So yes, the cycling community does fail when it comes to "less affluent" bicycle riders.

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    Event organizers might not actively increase "diversity" (it can be enough work to run the event and get the participants they end up with). It's very unlikely that they would intentionally do things to discourage those who are not the "right" kind of cyclist. In any case, it would be hard to imagine that there would be any practical way of discriminating participants who don't provide any information that could be used to discriminate against them.

    Any bicycling event using public facilities that allows the public (not just "members") to register, such as RAGBRAI, is an instance of "bicycle advocacy".

    It isn't clear that event organizers, in addition to the large effort required to run an event, must also actively increase "diversity". Especially given that events are often the work of volunteers.

    And there's the basic problem of defining what "successful" means with respect to "diversity". RAGBRAI would have a problem "succeeding" in that, given that (likely) many of the participants are Iowans, a state that happens to be on the cusp of the lowest quintile of "diversity".

    (I know a person in that last RAGBRAI picture!! Freaky!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    Event organizers might not actively increase "diversity" (it can be enough work to run the event and get the participants they end up with). It's very unlikely that they would intentionally do things to discourage those who are not the "right" kind of cyclist. In any case, it would be hard to imagine that there would be any practical way of discriminating participants who don't provide any information that could be used to discriminate against them.

    Any bicycling event using public facilities that allows the public (not just "members") to register, such as RAGBRAI, is an instance of "bicycle advocacy".

    It isn't clear that event organizers, in addition to the large effort required to run an event, must also actively increase "diversity". Especially given that events are often the work of volunteers.

    (I know a person in that last RAGBRAI picture!! Freaky!)
    To corroborate this, look at the number of women cycling. If every thing were equal there would be as many women as men across the board in all cycling sub cultures, right?

    This isn't so, and I doubt it has anything to do directly with discrimination. The fact is that there are cultural differences between men and women. In terms of race, the cultural differences are in addition to econimic differences that still exist to this day. Still things are changing.
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuteCommando View Post
    To corroborate this, look at the number of women cycling. If every thing were equal there would be as many women as men across the board in all cycling sub cultures, right?

    This isn't so, and I doubt it has anything to do directly with discrimination. The fact is that there are cultural differences between men and women. In terms of race, the cultural differences are in addition to econimic differences that still exist to this day. Still things are changing.
    Exactly (with even more complications).

    While there isn't anything wrong with encouraging "diversity", maybe it's enough for event organizers to organize their events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardmasoner View Post
    Hi all,

    I'm creating a video slideshow for the upcoming California Bike Summit in November and I'm curious: Do your local bike advocacy groups, bike clubs and bike events look like the communities they take place in?
    I believe if the responses on this thread are representative, many cyclists have little interest in local bike advocacy groups, bike clubs and/or bike events that look like the communities they take place in, but rather are satisfied with the status quo and local bike advocacy groups, bike clubs and/or bike events that look like themselves.

    Diversity? Fuggediboutit!

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