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Originally Posted by genec
Some of the monies for BL actually go to improve the roadways with WOL... So riders are not forced to "take a lane." The funding mechanism is set up such that to get this funding, one has to put in a BL.... but the net result is a wider road.
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Originally Posted by bwileyr
Some engineering (such as paving the roads) certainly helped make travel by vehicle (whether pedal or motor) safer and more comfortable. As to whether striping bicycle-specific lanes does that too, here's a letter that was sent to a traffic Planning Department by Steven G. Goodridge, Ph.D.
There was a time when I believed that striped bicycle-specific lanes were a good idea, but this was before I became familiar with the problems with bicycle-specific roadway markings in the real world. As I began to study the various bicycle-specific facility designs that have been proposed and implemented, I discovered that what I really wanted was an improvement over narrow travel lanes with heavy, fast traffic, but without creating new operational/social problems or making existing problems worse. I have spent considerable time studying the causes of car-bike collisions, including analysis of car-bike crash data compiled by NCDOT and review of the actual police reports from Cary for a six-year period. I have also studied alternative vehicles such as Neighborhood Electric vehicles and various types of motor scooters. All of this has led me to believe that wider outside through lanes are a simple, elegant, effective solution for providing safe, comfortable, and efficient accommodation of a diversity of vehicle types with varied speed capabilities and widths on urban streets. Wider outside through lanes are especially good for bicyclists. I believe that bicycle-specific segregation markings, however, have operational and social disadvantages that likely outweigh any possible operational or social advantages when employed in most urban areas.
The idea of bicycle-specific lanes/markings is alluring to many people, especially to inexperienced cyclists. But the professional standard applied to installation of traffic control devices is that the operational advantages must be estimated to exceed the operational disadvantages, regardless of popular demand. I have therefore spent a great deal of time studying the existing research on bicycle lanes, car-bike collision data, and pro-bike-lane advocacy articles in attempts to ascertain what operational advantages may be provided by the stripe, and to determine where striping may be warranted. My efforts to make conclusions about the advantages of the stripe have been thwarted because of the following observation:
All of the available publications and advocacy materials promoting operational and safety benefits for bicycle-specific lane markings fail to properly differentiate the effects of striping from the effects of total shared pavement width, motor traffic characteristics, or both.
It is only natural for surveyed cyclists to say they feel more comfortable and safe on roads with bike lanes when the only roads chosen for bike lane striping have lower traffic volumes and/or extra-wide pavement. But this doesn't mean the segregation marking itself is a net benefit. When I have reviewed actual car-bike collision data, what jumps out right away is that the vast majority (>90%) of urban car-bike collisions involve right-angle junction hazards that cannot possibly be reduced by bicycle-specific roadway markings. Rather, these collisions may be exacerbated by cyclists positioning themselves by vehicle type rather than as their destination or speed requires. Meanwhile, the rare overtaking collisions offer no correlation with striping or lack thereof. Rather, the overtaking collision events I have looked at in Triangle correlate with travel lanes narrower than 12 feet wide with a posted speed limit of 45 mph, or gross negligence from the motorist or cyclist that could not be affected by a bike lane stripe. In my own experience, close (especially uncomfortably close) overtaking correlates with cycling on the edge of narrower lanes; wider lanes (14' to 16' or even wider) effectively minimize this. Another way to eliminate close overtaking is to ride in the center of narrow lanes, but I understand that some cyclists prefer not to do this due to some motorists' expression of displeasure at such, and so I support initiatives to increase the pavement space on important roads.
I believe that 14' wide outside through lanes provide reasonably good separation between normal-width cars and normal-width cyclists on 4-lane streets where overtaking drivers can move safely up to the left lane line to pass. I believe 16' or wider lanes are preferable on busy two-lane roads in order to provide extra shy distance between opposite-direction lanes of traffic. 16' or wider outside lanes may also be desirable on multi-lane roads where there is significant tractor-trailer, bus, or bicycle-trailer traffic. Note that the extra lane space should be incorporated into the through-lanes at intersections, not the right-turn-only lane, since the speeds and volumes are usually highest in the through-lane.
I believe that bike lane striping may have operational advantages in some cases, but that we cannot conclude what these are and how important they are. One potential advantage is that the least problematic bike lane stripe installations make it easier to tell upon initial inspection that a roadway provides adequate overtaking space without motorists changing lanes. This increases both motorist and cyclist confidence, which may or may not be a good thing. On the same pavement width without the stripe, both cyclists and motorists sharing the lane will use greater caution initially, and so there is no net increased danger, and possibly a decreased danger. Meanwhile, I believe that bicycle-specific lane striping creates the following operational and social problems:
1. Bike lane markings very frequently conflict with safe and legal cyclist and motorist positioning at intersections and other junctions, where most car-bike collisions occur.
2. Bike lane markings conflict with safe and legal cyclist positioning when cyclists are traveling at significant speed.
3. Bike lane markings usually increase the rate of accumulation of debris at the right side of the road by directing farther away the normal sweeping action of cars.
4. Bike lane markings tell motorists that bicyclists should ride somewhere other than in the normal travel lanes, inviting increased harassment of competent cyclists who operate in normal travel lanes in order to position themselves appropriately based on context or to avoid debris or the door zone of parked cars.
5. Bike lane markings reinforce inexperienced cyclists' unwarranted fear of overtaking collisions and foster psychological dependency on separation by stripes that offer no known safety benefit.
6. Bike lane markings confuse the public about a basic principle of the state vehicle code, which is that every street and every travel lane is a bicycle facility where cyclists operate according to the rules for drivers of vehicles.
Bicycle facilities are not something that a road engineer can add to a roadway, in any legal sense. By law, the bicycle facility is already there. Every travel lane of every street already provides a uniform, reasonably easy to use bicycle facility. What the road engineer can do is provide improved overtaking facilities on those street sections where motor traffic speed and/or volume warrants it. In my opinion, promotion of bicycle-specific roadway markings and segregation by vehicle type on urban streets confuses the issue of protecting lawful cyclists' legal right to safe access to every destination on every street. I believe it distracts public attention from things that can provide real improvements in safety, comfort, and efficiency, such as:
* Better design and maintenance of smooth, clean roadway surfaces
* Detection of bicycles by demand-actuated traffic signals
* Provision of adequate overtaking clearance space on the most popular roads for transportation, in particular those with the highest average travel speeds
* Education and enforcement about best bicycle driving practices and the rights and responsibilities of all road users
Thank you for your time and attention,
Steven Goodridge, Ph.D.
Member, Tau Beta Pi engineering honor society
Webmaster, https://humantransport.org
The idea of bicycle-specific lanes/markings is alluring to many people, especially to inexperienced cyclists. But the professional standard applied to installation of traffic control devices is that the operational advantages must be estimated to exceed the operational disadvantages, regardless of popular demand. I have therefore spent a great deal of time studying the existing research on bicycle lanes, car-bike collision data, and pro-bike-lane advocacy articles in attempts to ascertain what operational advantages may be provided by the stripe, and to determine where striping may be warranted. My efforts to make conclusions about the advantages of the stripe have been thwarted because of the following observation:
All of the available publications and advocacy materials promoting operational and safety benefits for bicycle-specific lane markings fail to properly differentiate the effects of striping from the effects of total shared pavement width, motor traffic characteristics, or both.
It is only natural for surveyed cyclists to say they feel more comfortable and safe on roads with bike lanes when the only roads chosen for bike lane striping have lower traffic volumes and/or extra-wide pavement. But this doesn't mean the segregation marking itself is a net benefit. When I have reviewed actual car-bike collision data, what jumps out right away is that the vast majority (>90%) of urban car-bike collisions involve right-angle junction hazards that cannot possibly be reduced by bicycle-specific roadway markings. Rather, these collisions may be exacerbated by cyclists positioning themselves by vehicle type rather than as their destination or speed requires. Meanwhile, the rare overtaking collisions offer no correlation with striping or lack thereof. Rather, the overtaking collision events I have looked at in Triangle correlate with travel lanes narrower than 12 feet wide with a posted speed limit of 45 mph, or gross negligence from the motorist or cyclist that could not be affected by a bike lane stripe. In my own experience, close (especially uncomfortably close) overtaking correlates with cycling on the edge of narrower lanes; wider lanes (14' to 16' or even wider) effectively minimize this. Another way to eliminate close overtaking is to ride in the center of narrow lanes, but I understand that some cyclists prefer not to do this due to some motorists' expression of displeasure at such, and so I support initiatives to increase the pavement space on important roads.
I believe that 14' wide outside through lanes provide reasonably good separation between normal-width cars and normal-width cyclists on 4-lane streets where overtaking drivers can move safely up to the left lane line to pass. I believe 16' or wider lanes are preferable on busy two-lane roads in order to provide extra shy distance between opposite-direction lanes of traffic. 16' or wider outside lanes may also be desirable on multi-lane roads where there is significant tractor-trailer, bus, or bicycle-trailer traffic. Note that the extra lane space should be incorporated into the through-lanes at intersections, not the right-turn-only lane, since the speeds and volumes are usually highest in the through-lane.
I believe that bike lane striping may have operational advantages in some cases, but that we cannot conclude what these are and how important they are. One potential advantage is that the least problematic bike lane stripe installations make it easier to tell upon initial inspection that a roadway provides adequate overtaking space without motorists changing lanes. This increases both motorist and cyclist confidence, which may or may not be a good thing. On the same pavement width without the stripe, both cyclists and motorists sharing the lane will use greater caution initially, and so there is no net increased danger, and possibly a decreased danger. Meanwhile, I believe that bicycle-specific lane striping creates the following operational and social problems:
1. Bike lane markings very frequently conflict with safe and legal cyclist and motorist positioning at intersections and other junctions, where most car-bike collisions occur.
2. Bike lane markings conflict with safe and legal cyclist positioning when cyclists are traveling at significant speed.
3. Bike lane markings usually increase the rate of accumulation of debris at the right side of the road by directing farther away the normal sweeping action of cars.
4. Bike lane markings tell motorists that bicyclists should ride somewhere other than in the normal travel lanes, inviting increased harassment of competent cyclists who operate in normal travel lanes in order to position themselves appropriately based on context or to avoid debris or the door zone of parked cars.
5. Bike lane markings reinforce inexperienced cyclists' unwarranted fear of overtaking collisions and foster psychological dependency on separation by stripes that offer no known safety benefit.
6. Bike lane markings confuse the public about a basic principle of the state vehicle code, which is that every street and every travel lane is a bicycle facility where cyclists operate according to the rules for drivers of vehicles.
Bicycle facilities are not something that a road engineer can add to a roadway, in any legal sense. By law, the bicycle facility is already there. Every travel lane of every street already provides a uniform, reasonably easy to use bicycle facility. What the road engineer can do is provide improved overtaking facilities on those street sections where motor traffic speed and/or volume warrants it. In my opinion, promotion of bicycle-specific roadway markings and segregation by vehicle type on urban streets confuses the issue of protecting lawful cyclists' legal right to safe access to every destination on every street. I believe it distracts public attention from things that can provide real improvements in safety, comfort, and efficiency, such as:
* Better design and maintenance of smooth, clean roadway surfaces
* Detection of bicycles by demand-actuated traffic signals
* Provision of adequate overtaking clearance space on the most popular roads for transportation, in particular those with the highest average travel speeds
* Education and enforcement about best bicycle driving practices and the rights and responsibilities of all road users
Thank you for your time and attention,
Steven Goodridge, Ph.D.
Member, Tau Beta Pi engineering honor society
Webmaster, https://humantransport.org
Once again reasoning appears to be NOT the way to reach these people...
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Originally Posted by genec
Some of the monies for BL actually go to improve the roadways with WOL... So riders are not forced to "take a lane." The funding mechanism is set up such that to get this funding, one has to put in a BL.... but the net result is a wider road.
I also quote the below from this ( https://www.bicyclinglife.com/Effecti...cy/blvswol.htm ) web page
"4. Funding. In NC, special bicycle facilities "raise a red flag" regarding funding. Money for bicycling requests comes from small dedicated pots, is limited, and thus more difficult to acquire. A WOL is not an identifiable bicycle facility and thus may be "hidden," and also funded from a much larger source of money, the STP. Moreover, funding for BLs from the small pots requires a local match. This is not the case with WOLs. WOLs have been the default bicycling "facility" of the NCDOT and the Division of Bicycle and Pedestrian Transportation for more than 20 years for good reason. "
Its seems this is taking a postion that WOLs are more likely or easier to get funded at least in NC?
Al
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Its seems this is taking a postion that WOLs are more likely or easier to get funded at least in NC?
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
I admit I am not in the know regarding funding issues. But I do know that WOL are officially recognized by at least local and state governments.
I also quote the below from this ( https://www.bicyclinglife.com/Effecti...cy/blvswol.htm ) web page
"4. Funding. In NC, special bicycle facilities "raise a red flag" regarding funding. Money for bicycling requests comes from small dedicated pots, is limited, and thus more difficult to acquire. A WOL is not an identifiable bicycle facility and thus may be "hidden," and also funded from a much larger source of money, the STP. Moreover, funding for BLs from the small pots requires a local match. This is not the case with WOLs. WOLs have been the default bicycling "facility" of the NCDOT and the Division of Bicycle and Pedestrian Transportation for more than 20 years for good reason. "
Its seems this is taking a postion that WOLs are more likely or easier to get funded at least in NC?
Al
I also quote the below from this ( https://www.bicyclinglife.com/Effecti...cy/blvswol.htm ) web page
"4. Funding. In NC, special bicycle facilities "raise a red flag" regarding funding. Money for bicycling requests comes from small dedicated pots, is limited, and thus more difficult to acquire. A WOL is not an identifiable bicycle facility and thus may be "hidden," and also funded from a much larger source of money, the STP. Moreover, funding for BLs from the small pots requires a local match. This is not the case with WOLs. WOLs have been the default bicycling "facility" of the NCDOT and the Division of Bicycle and Pedestrian Transportation for more than 20 years for good reason. "
Its seems this is taking a postion that WOLs are more likely or easier to get funded at least in NC?
Al
Serge himself indicated in the bike lane thread that a local community was using the "BL requirement" for a grant request to widen a road.... thereby showing this exact use of funding. Forester also mentions this in his web page. Probably depends on the state.
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Originally Posted by genec
Serge himself indicated in the bike lane thread that a local community was using the "BL requirement" for a grant request to widen a road.... thereby showing this exact use of funding. Forester also mentions this in his web page. Probably depends on the state.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
I know that cities here have budgets and plans to add BLs on some fast mulitlane roads that I use. On these particular roads I would much rather have a BL than a narrow high speed lane to share - otherwise these roads can be very stressful to ride on. That is too bad because I'd rather have a WOL than a BL on these same roads, but frankly I'll take a BL over nothing in these cases.
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It's not so much a "budget and plan issue" as it is funding from the federal government...
Of course that some government, through the MUTCD, gives plans of bike lanes right next to auto parking... so you really have to wonder...
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Originally Posted by genec
It's not so much a "budget and plan issue" as it is funding from the federal government...
Of course that some government, through the MUTCD, gives plans of bike lanes right next to auto parking... so you really have to wonder...
Of course that some government, through the MUTCD, gives plans of bike lanes right next to auto parking... so you really have to wonder...
"In 2004, the city's bike program:
Completed construction of 13th Street Bicycle/Pedestrian Improvements Project
Completed bicycle lanes on First Street
Completed design of Rio Salado south bank and Tempe Canal multi-use paths
Completed of the Country Club Way and US 60 Bicycle/Pedestrian Bridge
Secured federal grant funding totaling $5.465 million for Western Canal multi-use path (six miles) and College Avenue traffic calming (2.5 miles)
Secured $4.5 million in federal grant funding for pedestrian and bike improvements on Broadway Road, University Drive, Curry Road, Mill and Southern avenues
Completed design concepts and secured $1.7 million federal grant for Rio Salado multi-use path connection to Phoenix
Secured $.5 million funding for Tempe Bike Station to be located in future downtown Tempe Transportation Center "
I assume the part I highlighted in bold inclues BLs, but it could be for some WOLs
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
By budgets I meant secured funds as in quoted from City transport web pages:
"In 2004, the city's bike program:
Completed construction of 13th Street Bicycle/Pedestrian Improvements Project
Completed bicycle lanes on First Street
Completed design of Rio Salado south bank and Tempe Canal multi-use paths
Completed of the Country Club Way and US 60 Bicycle/Pedestrian Bridge
Secured federal grant funding totaling $5.465 million for Western Canal multi-use path (six miles) and College Avenue traffic calming (2.5 miles)
Secured $4.5 million in federal grant funding for pedestrian and bike improvements on Broadway Road, University Drive, Curry Road, Mill and Southern avenues
Completed design concepts and secured $1.7 million federal grant for Rio Salado multi-use path connection to Phoenix
Secured $.5 million funding for Tempe Bike Station to be located in future downtown Tempe Transportation Center "
I assume the part I highlighted in bold inclues BLs, but it could be for some WOLs
"In 2004, the city's bike program:
Completed construction of 13th Street Bicycle/Pedestrian Improvements Project
Completed bicycle lanes on First Street
Completed design of Rio Salado south bank and Tempe Canal multi-use paths
Completed of the Country Club Way and US 60 Bicycle/Pedestrian Bridge
Secured federal grant funding totaling $5.465 million for Western Canal multi-use path (six miles) and College Avenue traffic calming (2.5 miles)
Secured $4.5 million in federal grant funding for pedestrian and bike improvements on Broadway Road, University Drive, Curry Road, Mill and Southern avenues
Completed design concepts and secured $1.7 million federal grant for Rio Salado multi-use path connection to Phoenix
Secured $.5 million funding for Tempe Bike Station to be located in future downtown Tempe Transportation Center "
I assume the part I highlighted in bold inclues BLs, but it could be for some WOLs
OK, we have the same picture in mind... I thought that your city budget just covered funds from and used within the city.
As an aside... what is the Tempe Bike Station in the last line?
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Originally Posted by genec
OK, we have the same picture in mind... I thought that your city budget just covered funds from and used within the city.
As an aside... what is the Tempe Bike Station in the last line?
As an aside... what is the Tempe Bike Station in the last line?
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
I don't know. Quite a while ago I attended the Bike Advisory meetings (which were held after work), but they cancelled them and it is now wrapped into the Transportation Commision meeting which is select members and held during my working hours. (i.e. I am out of the loop now)
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Just looking at some of the things in the MUTCD, I wonder about the thinking of the folks that created that document.
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Originally Posted by genec
Oh that doesn't sound good... without good cyclist representation in a meeting like that, no telling what might be mandated. Does the Transportation Commision have cyclist representation?
Just looking at some of the things in the MUTCD, I wonder about the thinking of the folks that created that document.
Just looking at some of the things in the MUTCD, I wonder about the thinking of the folks that created that document.
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Originally Posted by genec
Just looking at some of the things in the MUTCD, I wonder about the thinking of the folks that created that document.
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I was out riding with my wife last weekend and were out of the BL in the 'go straight' lane. A woman in a car came up to our right to make a right turn and thru her open window said with a big smile "Thank you - I love you bike riders'
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Originally Posted by Paul L.
I haven't ridden Rural, will have to try that one some time this week on my commute. Tomorrow I can't though as I am riding to work via Coolidge as training for a Brevet coming up.
I am also curious if you think metro-phx is better or worse than other metro areas for cyclists? Perhaps look at this from both a driver behavior and from an infrastructure point of view.
Personally I find no real issues with car drivers - most are quite courteous. I don't mind riding on any of the fast multilane roads if they have a WOL or BL. I don't like the ones that have a narrow outside lane. I also don't like merging across three lanes to make a left turn when traffic is dense.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
I am also curious if you think metro-phx is better or worse than other metro areas for cyclists? Perhaps look at this from both a driver behavior and from an infrastructure point of view.
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I don't mind if there are no BL, but ONLY if there are WOLs... problem is as was mentioned by noisebeam earlier... the worst streets here don't have either! I have been nearly clipped by trucks and buses who seem to have no sense of how wide their vehicle is. This sometimes happens in BLs, so I am hesitant to ride VC during rush hour on certain roads. I did try today and was pleased with how good most of the cars were about it. I still almost got clipped, though
However, I don't see how having BL is a bad thing.. for here at least. The are kept clean, and of course, used as right turn lanes for cars . You can ride in them and still follow laws... like turn left from the left hand lane... stop for signs/lights/construction men with stop signs...
if I can't get over to turn left in time, i stop on the other side of the street and wait for the light to turn, or for it to clear and make a dash when there's no light... It may take a bit more time, but it is safer.
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I don't have a real problem with BL on the multilane grid here in phx-metro, but I actually prefer WOL over BLs on these types roads, because in my experience I get more passing room when I am riding in a WOL compared to when I am riding in a BL on these types of roads. I think it is because the car drivers think they don't need to move their lane position when passing you when you are in a BL, whereas with a WOL it is obvious to them they need to move a bit to the left to pass you.
On the other hand I very much dislike the BLs that are found in the residential 25mph type streets - these are totally useless for me and cause many other cyclists I see to not position themselves correctly at stops and also to ride the wrong way in them. They seem like wasted money that could be applied to widening some of the multilane roads to provide WOLs.
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On the other hand I very much dislike the BLs that are found in the residential 25mph type streets - these are totally useless for me and cause many other cyclists I see to not position themselves correctly at stops and also to ride the wrong way in them. They seem like wasted money that could be applied to widening some of the multilane roads to provide WOLs.
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Originally Posted by Ladyjai
I'm curious myself.
I don't mind if there are no BL, but ONLY if there are WOLs... problem is as was mentioned by noisebeam earlier... the worst streets here don't have either!
I don't mind if there are no BL, but ONLY if there are WOLs... problem is as was mentioned by noisebeam earlier... the worst streets here don't have either!
- WOL (wide outside lane, 14+ feet). Cyclist shares the lane with motorists, who slow and adjust their position when they pass.
- NOL (narrow outside lane, 10-14 feet) . Cyclist takes the lane - motorists slow and move into adjacent lane, at least partially, to pass.
- VNOL (very narrow outside lane, 4-5 feet) (a.k.a, "bike lane"). Cyclist stuck in slum/debris lane - motorists pass without slowing and too close without adjusting lane position. The worst.
I have been nearly clipped by trucks and buses who seem to have no sense of how wide their vehicle is.
This sometimes happens in BLs, so I am hesitant to ride VC during rush hour on certain roads.
When there is a BL, most of the time I ride outside of it (to the left of the stripe). Almost universally, this causes motorists to be much more aware of me, and to pass me with greater care (they slow down and move left).
if I can't get over to turn left in time, i stop on the other side of the street and wait for the light to turn, or for it to clear and make a dash when there's no light... It may take a bit more time, but it is safer.
I negotiate for a gap by:
- Look back over my left shoulder.
- If no one immediately slows down, stick out my left arm (and keep alternating between looking forward and back).
- Once someone yields the right-of-way (slows down to let me in), I move left into the lane, take another quick look, and move to the left side of the lane, and repeat the process from Step 1 again.
- Repeat 1-3 until I'm in the left most lane. Proceed along the left edge of the leftmost lane until I'm at the left turn lane.
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Originally Posted by Serge *******
I disagree. I far prefer a narrow lane to a very narrow lane (a bike lane). My order of preference is:
- WOL (wide outside lane, 14+ feet). Cyclist shares the lane with motorists, who slow and adjust their position when they pass.
- NOL (narrow outside lane, 10-14 feet) . Cyclist takes the lane - motorists slow and move into adjacent lane, at least partially, to pass.
- VNOL (very narrow outside lane, 4-5 feet) (a.k.a, "bike lane"). Cyclist stuck in slum/debris lane - motorists pass without slowing and too close without adjusting lane position. The worst.
Originally Posted by Serge *******
I have seen this happen, but only when I'm riding pretty close to the right edge in a NOL - too narrow to be safely shared side-by-side. That position yields the right-of-way to passing motorists and invites them to try to squeeze in with you. Ironically, if you ride further to the left, your position makes it clear that there is not enough room for both of you in the same lane at the same time. Once the motorist is resigned to having to move into the adjacent lane, at least partially, in order to pass the cyclist, they tend to do so with much more than ample room for safety.
Originally Posted by Serge *******
Bike lanes seem like they are there for the benefit of the cyclist, but the huge problems far outweigh any marginal benefits. They are good for motorists, however, who can zoom along and totally ignore the cyclists.
Originally Posted by Serge *******
When there is a BL, most of the time I ride outside of it (to the left of the stripe). Almost universally, this causes motorists to be much more aware of me, and to pass me with greater care (they slow down and move left).
however, i'll be taking your comments to heart for the ones that are total jokes ;-). maybe i'll find a shirt that says "Don't Honk, I'm following the Law" on the back .
Originally Posted by Serge *******
What works for me when there is no gap is to negotiate for one, starting at least a 1/2 block before the left turn, sometimes 1-2 blocks earlier, depending on the speed and volume of traffic (the more, the earlier).
I negotiate for a gap by:
I negotiate for a gap by:
- Look back over my left shoulder.
- If no one immediately slows down, stick out my left arm (and keep alternating between looking forward and back).
- Once someone yields the right-of-way (slows down to let me in), I move left into the lane, take another quick look, and move to the left side of the lane, and repeat the process from Step 1 again.
- Repeat 1-3 until I'm in the left most lane. Proceed along the left edge of the leftmost lane until I'm at the left turn lane.