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Old 10-09-13, 05:26 PM   #76
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I bet dollars to donuts this complaining/crazy dude has a prior record. Again, best not to get swept into the world of crazy. Just imagine what his next door neighbors have to put up with.
Why imagine? Why not (dresses in street clothes, not kit) go by and ask?

You might find out what risks you are taking with a more aggressive response. You may also find out what peaceful response might work.

Oh and if he is a real jerk they might appreciate being able to contact you as one more nail in his coffin when they try legal action.
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Old 10-09-13, 05:33 PM   #77
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Why not (dresses in street clothes, not kit) go by and ask?
I sez go full kit and dress like Big Bird. Crazy is as crazy does.
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Old 10-10-13, 08:40 AM   #78
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Has anyone thot of the fact he may be doing something illegal? Maybe he is worried that someone on a bike going by much more slowly than a car may see something, and report him.
Very valid point.
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Old 10-10-13, 08:48 AM   #79
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Why imagine? Why not (dresses in street clothes, not kit) go by and ask?

You might find out what risks you are taking with a more aggressive response. You may also find out what peaceful response might work.

Oh and if he is a real jerk they might appreciate being able to contact you as one more nail in his coffin when they try legal action.
Down here either in Tampa or here in St. Pete there was a similar "neighbor from hell," always making trouble, arrested numerous times. Last time judge ordered him to not only leave neighborhood, BUT the state as well.
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I'd take the officer's advice -- you're in the right, keep riding legally, call them if the harassment continues or escalates.

Not knowing the route in person, just going from your description, I would generally *not* ride on a sidepath with heavy pedestrian use. The street is safer.
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I wish the OP would give us an update.
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I wish the OP would give us an update.
Could be he has done the sensible thing and resolved the problem in a satisfactory way. BUT he may not wish to report a peaceful solution without histrionics, and appear meek to the A&S tuff guys who recommend taking names and kicking butt at every opportunity.
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Old 10-11-13, 03:11 PM   #83
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Darn peaceniks are out to wreck the world.
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I'm actually kind of jealous that the guy "threatened" to call the cops. I wish that would happen to me!

"I'll call the cops!!11"

Me: "OK, go ahead. I'll wait right here."

I think it would be really funny to see what would actually happen after that.

No way in hell I'd change my route. Cyclists have to do that too much for the convenience of cars alone already.
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I'm actually kind of jealous that the guy "threatened" to call the cops. I wish that would happen to me!

"I'll call the cops!!11"

Me: "OK, go ahead. I'll wait right here."

I think it would be really funny to see what would actually happen after that.

No way in hell I'd change my route. Cyclists have to do that too much for the convenience of cars alone already.
I have to agree with you that it'd be interesting to see what would happen if the homeowner called the cops.
And while I agree that we ad cyclists already make too many concessions to motorists. BUT​​​​ that being said sometimes it's the best thing to do.

As an example, I have a road I use that has an access road that runs alongside it. I have NO problems in using the access road instead of using the main road.

In the case of the OP, considering that presumably this isn't a route that he uses to get to work, what's it gonna hurt to change his route? Yes, the OP shouldn't have to, but it might be the smart thing to do.
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Had my second incident with this guy today, the only real problem I've had with anyone while biking. There's a park I go to 2-3 times a month, and do 2-5 loops around it. Part of a longer daily ride.
The path around the park is signed as a bike/pedestrian path, except for the eastern side which is mostly sidewalk. The path on that side that isn't sidewalk tends to have a lot of foot traffic,
so on that side I use the adjacent streets. And this guy _really_ doesn't like it...today he yelled at me, cursed at me, waved a metal rod/wooden stick/something at me, and called the cops. Mainly he seems
upset that his dogs bark at me. Cops talked to him and me separately, cop said I was in the right but that he recommends I use the path if at all possible. Told me to call again if it happened again, and that
the other guy thinks I'm harassing him and wants to get a restraining order. First time this happened, guy was somewhat less angry and there was no waving of anything at me, and no cursing.

What would you do in this situation? Stop going there entirely? Go but use the path? Ride on the street anyway? Something else? I really don't want to knuckle under, but I also really don't want to be attacked
or have my day ruined again.
Use that phone camera you probbably have and snap, send to the PD. Brandishing a weapon and threatening is attempted assualt.

Do people have to wait until somebody goes ballistic and harms others to report stuff like this? The guy is not right and you shouldn't be polite and allow that to continue.

Even if he's mad that somebody on a bike did something to his property he has no right to threaten you. Let the people you hired to handle disputes do their job.
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http://bit.ly/1al2x9V <-- an excellent example of why I'm avoiding answering. It's not that I can't but rather I see no reason to waste time paraphrasing another site (which I'm totally likely to do) instead of just asking them to do their own homework.

In order for a restraining order to be put in place, a person usually has to go before a judge and convince a judge that you legitimately feel threatened. The other party has a chance at that time to explain why you are wrong. A judge has the ability to demand a mental health evaluation or even request someone be held for an involuntary mental health evaluation.

As for my post not having legal substance, I'm not an attorney but I definitely have more than a layman's understanding of how the legal and the justice system works. What I said may not be the 'nice' way of handling it but it is effective and there's a huge chance that if it is someone with a mental health issue they have never been evaluated or treated. If that's the case, then getting them an evaluation could be a long-term positive for them.


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Of course he doesn't know how restraining orders work. That's why he's asking the question. I do wonder why you are avoiding answering it though. My guess is that your original post was just an acrid cathartic rant with no actual legal substance behind it. Prove me wrong - please...
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Of course he doesn't know how restraining orders work. That's why he's asking the question. I do wonder why you are avoiding answering it though. My guess is that your original post was just an acrid cathartic rant with no actual legal substance behind it. Prove me wrong - please...
Not a rant at all...people have a fatal flaw in that they try to ignore a bad thing until it hurts. We give too much credit to others. If this person is brandishing weapons it indicates a serious problem.

Most people don't threaten to beat you if they disagree with you being on their street...NOT NORMAL. There is a problem that the OP has little to do with and if they do not take action and seek assistance they will become a victim.

Perhaps we don't know the entire story. Maybe the person has other reasons to dislike the OP...ulterior motives are often left out...maybe they really are just an innocent target.

It matters NOT. Resolve the problem correctly.

A restraining order is not very likely. You can't expect to make the man move. You also can't expect to be free to just continue to travel that way and expect no conflict OR ELSE.

A judge will expect the two parties to try to resolve the problem first...the court is the point of last resort. In their case the police are the proper channel of communication and resolutiion. The person threatening him is not likely to listen to reason at this point and he's JUST NOT KOSHER.

JoeyBike: Not taking his meds is a general cliche and you don't have any evidence to prove that meds are involved, unless you know this person...in THAT case you would be guilty of not offering vital information on behalf of the OP. Think about that and please stop making such non-useful statements that reflect a poor attitude toward mental health in general.

If you do know these two it would not be very good of you NOT to offer some dialogue with the authorities.

This thread should have been answered on page one instead of becoming a four page expedition. We all can do better and my input should have never been required.
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Send his info to a few telemarketers, that should keep him busy for awhile...
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I think we've fully explored this subject and it's time to bring it to a close
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