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    Four Ways Protected Bike Lanes Benefit Businesses

    Four Ways Protected Bike Lanes Benefit Businesses
    by Angie Schmitt

    The question isnít whether your city can afford to build high-quality bike infrastructure anymore, say our friends at the Green Lane Project. Itís whether your city can afford not to.......

    http://streetsblog.net/2013/09/16/fo...it-businesses/

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    I consider the "Green Lane Project" or "People for Bikes" to be more of an impediment.

    *They exaggerate the risks of cycling to promote an inflexible political agenda.
    *They encourage and promote divisiveness in the cycling community.
    *They promote unsafe infrastructure that would be rejected in the Northern European nations they pretend to admire.

    Hopefully, as the backlash continues to grow the people involved will moderate their positions. I find it ironic that VC cyclists held back cycling for decades and now progress is being held back by extremism from the other end of the spectrum.
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

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    I guess I'm blissfully ignorant of the extremism. People in NYC seem to accept the influx of bikes, whether they're happy or not. The city seems to work better now than before. I like seeing a car parking space replaced with a row of 15 or 20 bike positions. My guess is that business owners like it, too.

    I'm seeing a lot of people unlike me on bikes lately. I'm a bike nut. These people are just plain folks who aren't in it for the exercise or because they love bikes or believe in the cause. They are doing it because it just plain makes sense. Some of the new people on Citibikes are very fat. I am so heartened to see this. Cycling may never be for everyone, but a wider variety of people are embracing it. I can't help liking that.
    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    I'm seeing a lot of people unlike me on bikes lately. I'm a bike nut. These people are just plain folks who aren't in it for the exercise or because they love bikes or believe in the cause. They are doing it because it just plain makes sense. Some of the new people on Citibikes are very fat. I am so heartened to see this. Cycling may never be for everyone, but a wider variety of people are embracing it. I can't help liking that.
    Same here. Memphis has been ranked the most obese city in the US. Anything that encourages people to move is good! The green lanes may not be ideal, but they contribute to a sense that biking is normal, and that encourages more people to do it. I've always wanted to bike commute, but didn't start until this year when some bike lanes were put in on a major road near me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    I consider the "Green Lane Project" or "People for Bikes" to be more of an impediment.

    *They exaggerate the risks of cycling to promote an inflexible political agenda.
    *They encourage and promote divisiveness in the cycling community.
    *They promote unsafe infrastructure that would be rejected in the Northern European nations they pretend to admire.

    Hopefully, as the backlash continues to grow the people involved will moderate their positions. I find it ironic that VC cyclists held back cycling for decades and now progress is being held back by extremism from the other end of the spectrum.
    I'm not so sure the VC folks held anything back. The incredibly cheap gasoline of the '80s, '90s and early 2000s were probably more to blame than anything else. It's tough to get people to ride in a nation that is moving to ever bigger motor vehicles and ever bigger bodies when it is just ridiculously cheap to drive everywhere and those same supersized vehicles suck the joy out of riding. Add in the aging of the prior cycling crowd, the boomers, and the disappearance of the bicycle from the American roadway seems kind of predictable, in retrospect.

    I strongly agree with your comments regarding the "Green Lane Project" and "People for Bikes".

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    I'm not so sure the VC folks held anything back. The incredibly cheap gasoline of the '80s, '90s and early 2000s were probably more to blame than anything else. It's tough to get people to ride in a nation that is moving to ever bigger motor vehicles and ever bigger bodies when it is just ridiculously cheap to drive everywhere and those same supersized vehicles suck the joy out of riding. Add in the aging of the prior cycling crowd, the boomers, and the disappearance of the bicycle from the American roadway seems kind of predictable, in retrospect.

    I strongly agree with your comments regarding the "Green Lane Project" and "People for Bikes".
    While I agree that gas prices and the convenience of motoring are the biggest factors, the inflexibility of some VCers inhibited re-allocation of road space. Instead of seeing bike lanes as a way to calm traffic, some VCers saw a threat to the ideology of bicycle driving. I also believe that the championing of FRAP by some VCers reinforced the idea that cyclists do not have a right to the full roadway.
    Last edited by spare_wheel; 10-18-13 at 07:57 PM.
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Doofus View Post
    The green lanes may not be ideal, but they contribute to a sense that biking is normal, and that encourages more people to do it.
    I have no problem with green bike lanes -- the Oak St green bike lanes in PDX are one of my favorite facilities. My issue with "People for bikes" (previously green lane project) is their very strong ideological bias towards segregation (and enforcement of segregation).
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

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