IMO, the largest reason people dislike bikers is because of roadies. (preface: not all of them, obvi)
most casual bikers, and even bikers that ride in things like Critical Mass, are not the types of people who will be out on the road in traffic. They are the types of people who are riding casually on MUPs, or are in the woods doing trails - where there is obviously no traffic.
but roadies seems to have this sense of entitlement. they also seem to think that stopping at lights or, god forbid, slowing down will completely destroy their ride, or their training, or whatever excuse it is they have for being out there. (sidebar: i cannot believe that all the people I see in their spandex riding like the wind are actually training for a real race or a triathlon or something - IMO it's just a lot of wannabes making it worse for the rest of us).
I love biking, and i am for bike equality and all that jazz, but jesus christ people, you have to give a little attention to the environment around you. don't ride 2 or 3 wide on a single lane road when there is traffic. its fine if there isn't, but when cars come, fall behind one another. its not hard. i ride side by side with my wife on the MUP all the time, but when i see someone come up behind us in my mirror, or i see a biker or runner approaching ahead, we slide back to single file. if you're out on the road on your own, don't plow through red lights, or thread your way through traffic. STOP. SLOW DOWN. You aren't entitled. Drivers won't always give you the right of way - even if it is yours. i see it all the time when i am driving around - guys haulin ass just blowing through stoplights and dodging cars all in the name of keeping their cadence up or whatever.
Look, i'm not a racer, but even if i was, i would still exercise common sense. common sense dictates stopping at an intersection where traffic can come from every which way. it means waiting for the cross signal, or the green light. it means making sure the cars that can directly affect you are aware you're there. they won't be aware you're coming if they are stopped at a light and you zoom up from back and just shoot out through the intersection. but if you slowed, and pulled up alongside them and stopped at the light - it's apparent you're there, and that you're going to go through when the light turns green.
something that MIGHT alleviate the situation - just give a look at the driver and see if they wave you ahead, or if you yourself wave the driver on. all it takes is a little communication and accidents and confrontations can be avoided. When I was commuting on the road I was constantly making eye contact with the drivers so they knew i was aware they were there, and they were aware i was there, and we could figure out how to get by. but roadies are trapped in their own little world. they don't look, acknowledge, or care. until something happens and then they get pissed and start kicking and pounding on hoods and doors.
now, this situation with this old guy, obviously he's got some issues.
but in the end, what it comes down to, is a lot of cyclists getting off their goddamn high horse. if you don't give motorists anything to complain about - then this entire thing is a non-issue. (aside from the handful of crazies out there.)
The usual advice applies ... if you don't like what you find, leave. Or stay, either to admonish others or to lead by example. All rides are what the riders make them, and if you're there ... you get input on how things are too.
The cartoon character of an old man doesn't get a pass on being a violent imbecile, but roadie gangs are the biggest antagonizer of the public if going by newspaper and anecdotal-personal experience. I remember the hysteria(I read about here, on BF) when Jupiter Island was going to be closed to cyclists. There was hyper-poutrage. Not realizing what was precipitating this possible action, I went to the public meeting with intent on defending cycling on the island, but once there, couldn't. Video after video from police cars and homeowners documenting the group thuggery. All tis is in keeping with what I've seen in spandex gang behavior from Vermont to South Florida and inward. Share the road means for cyclists, too.
Last edited by -=(8)=-; 10-25-13 at 07:02 AM.
☞-ADVOCACY-☜ Radical VC = Car people on bikes. Just say "NO"
The only good thing to come out of this will be the guy getting a new $5000 bike...I sure there is 2 sides to every story but this is what we saw... Hard to say anything against this video, no matter what happened before...Not sure what set the old fart off but He obviously has anger issues... I would be curious to see what actually happened before this....I guess we won't know. for sure with video evidence anyway. Glad nobody got seriously injured ...
BE THE PERSON YOUR DOG THINKS YOU ARE.....
OK, normally I'd say "NEVER READ THE COMMENTS" but "LocalDrifter" had me in stitches. I want to buy him a beer.
2014 Specialized Dolce, 1987 Schwinn Tempo, 2012 Windsor Kensington 8
So, to set the record straight:
1.The egg preceded the chicken. (Come on, this is basic biology.)
2. Motorist hatred/entitlement preceded CM and other cyclist responses.
(For what it's worth, I don't CM, unless I happen to be out riding and one is going my way.)
Last edited by AC1074; 10-28-13 at 03:31 AM.
I am not suggesting retaliation in any way... merely that, unlike other road users, cyclists are targeted. I have never been yelled at or had things pitched at me while driving or walking.
And I love that "continue on your way" comment... guess you've never been hit by a thrown can of beer... it really hurts and can cause serious injury.