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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    OK, thanks, now I understand.


    Your subtle sense of humour and your self restraint was much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Though he probably misused the word.
    hermeneutics is derived from hermes -- the messenger of the gods. i maintain that it is a fine way to describe a group of people who are more concerned with message than substance.

    trying to impress their college professor
    it amuses and saddens me that impressing a professor is considered to be something negative.
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

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    Should we talk about replacing "drivers" with "people in cars" first?
    Badly-behaved cyclists are usually just cyclists with inadequate infrastructure. Or none at all. - Mikael Colville-Andersen

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    People First Language (PFL) is prescriptive and awkward. It doesn't work in bicycle advocacy IMO. PFL is a distraction from the real issues affecting people on...oooops....cyclists and motorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    hermeneutics is derived from hermes -- the messenger of the gods. i maintain that it is a fine way to describe a group of people who are more concerned with message than substance.

    it amuses and saddens me that impressing a professor is considered to be something negative.
    Got it, inappropriately speaking Greek is the way to impress everybody!

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    Many words have been used to label people as "other" in our recent history. Unfortunately, the censors won't let me list most of them, but consider how the gay community has taken ownership of words that were previously used to attack them. Just last year President Obama took ownership of the term "Obamacare", to successful political effect.

    In my opinion, we should follow these examples and own the word cyclist with pride. It will still be used as a pejorative at times, but running from it gives it power over us.

    That said, I prefer to confine its use to a description of someone who is actually riding a bike (or trike, or whatever). When we're sitting on our hind-quarters writing these posts, we're not cyclists. When we get on our bikes, we're cyclists again.
    +1!

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    No more than saying Persons with HIV/AIDS.
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    People on bikes brings up images of a bunch of clowns (literal clowns) trying to get as many as possible on one bike.

    If one wants a general term bicycle riders seems good to me. Or even Bicycle users to describe one who may sometimes ride and sometimes not.

    Of course an article writer could reasonably decide to define different subgroups for the article if it was comparing and contrasting different sub groups.

    In that case people on Bikes could be used. My guess is it would not be for a group that has a positive image.
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

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    My observation is that some people just hate those who ride bikes. I've caught someone's nasty frowning face when I was pushing my bike out of office. He had this nasty expression when the bike was half way out of the door, and I was not in sight yet, as if he saw a snake; as soon as I got out and he saw me looking at him, he switched to a smiling face. Happened twice so far, as far as I'm aware of.

    Heck, no one is preventing you from also riding a bike or being physically active if it's a subconscious jealousy in play.

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    But what I really want to know is just what should we say when we want to reach out and embrace an honest conversation, by the end of the day so that we have the correct narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaver View Post
    But what I really want to know is just what should we say when we want to reach out and embrace an honest conversation, by the end of the day so that we have the correct narrative.
    Say "bicyclist" which by definition is a person who rides a bicycle. Why clutter up the language with new words that don't add anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Say "bicyclist" which by definition is a person who rides a bicycle. Why clutter up the language with new words that don't add anything.
    Exactly my point. The above semantics are heard more and more at any op-ed news cast. Just get to the point. Call it want you want. Picking a prettier term does very little to the concern. Stop giving people a reason to hate us, be courteous to all others.

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    Thought experiment for those who believe that changing how we refer to bicyclists will change anything.

    You have to be a driver to conduct the experiment. At an appropriate time, say something to the effect of the following. I was driving home last night and I hit a bicycle"> No not say anything to imply that person was involved, just a bicycle. I'll bet 3 bbers to one, that you'll get a reaction to the effect of "Golly, was he hurt" or "was anybody hurt". Just the word Bicycle in this conrext conjures an image of a person riding a bicycle, rather than a bicycle that just a bicycle that someone left lying in the road or driveway.
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    I simply refuse to use a bicycle...computers, well...
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