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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    Would you call in every salmon cyclist you see?
    There are other more effective methods for controlling salmon cyclists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    Would you call in every salmon cyclist you see?

    Unfortunately, salmon cyclists have more "skin" in the game, and seldom do I see many repeat salmoning cyclists in my locale, illegal parking motorists have little or no "skin" in the game and generally will continually to park illegally until they get tired of paying parking fines and/or going to court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    There are other more effective methods for controlling salmon cyclists.
    Do tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daihard View Post
    Well-designed bike lanes address some of those issues, if not all. For instance, they can build bike lanes right by the curb, designate the parking spots outside them, and separate them from the bike lanes with a low concrete wall with enough space to prevent passenger dooring.
    Bike lanes painted in pixie dust might address some of those issues too and are almost as likely to be be commonly placed and built in/on crowded urban streets.

    Quote Originally Posted by daihard View Post
    We will still need to be aware of vehicles making a turn onto a crossing street or into a driveway, but the fewer issues to deal with, the better.
    The previous poster, Katsrevenge wrote that she expects bike lanes to take cyclists OUT of traffic, period; bike lanes apparently built to a standard suitable for bicyclists unable or unwilling to handle ANY interaction with motorized traffic or parked vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    There are other more effective methods for controlling salmon cyclists.
    There's no need. If it's a problem, Darwinism will take of it. If it's not a problem, there's no reason to solve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Bike lanes painted in pixie dust might address some of those issues too and are almost as likely to be be commonly placed and built in/on crowded urban streets.
    What is "pixie dust?"

    The previous poster, Katsrevenge wrote that she expects bike lanes to take cyclists OUT of traffic, period; bike lanes apparently built to a standard suitable for bicyclists unable or unwilling to handle ANY interaction with motorized traffic or parked vehicles.
    My response was not meant to agree completely with the OP, if that's the impression I gave you. I'm saying that there are certain types of bike lanes that better protect cyclists than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daihard View Post
    What is "pixie dust?"


    My response was not meant to agree completely with the OP, if that's the impression I gave you. I'm saying that there are certain types of bike lanes that better protect cyclists than others.
    CUS1581PixieDust.jpgPixie Dust is related to unobtainium or fantasy/imaginary material. See Peter Pan and Tinker Belle for further details.
    I agree that some bike lanes are better designs than others but the designs you mentioned are not likely to be installed in (m)any heavily trafficked streets in urban U.S. And NONE, no matter how built or at any cost, are going to deliver bicyclists into some traffic free Nirvana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    There's no need. If it's a problem, Darwinism will take of it. If it's not a problem, there's no reason to solve it.
    The latter is a reasonable comment; the former a rather smug comment and not your usual response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    See Peter Pan and Tinker Belle for further details.
    Goes to show how long ago it is that I read Peter Pan...

    I agree that some bike lanes are better designs than others but the designs you mentioned are not likely to be installed in (m)any heavily trafficked streets in urban U.S. And NONE, no matter how built or at any cost, are going to deliver bicyclists into some traffic free Nirvana.
    I don't think any bike lane would give cyclists 100% protection against motorists, either. I hope I didn't give you the impression that I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daihard View Post
    Goes to show how long ago it is that I read Peter Pan...


    I don't think any bike lane would give cyclists 100% protection against motorists, either. I hope I didn't give you the impression that I do.
    I believe we are in agreement on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Urban bike lane cyclists are not isolated from interactions with motor vehicles and cannot be protected by righteous indignation at the sight of a motor vehicle nearby or crossing bike lane paint....
    ...If cyclists expect to be isolated from motorized traffic they should seek bike trails through the woods to nowhere.
    But the entire point of these cycle tracks is to keep car traffic separate from bike traffic. The only mixing is at a couple turn-ins and at left turn intersections. There was no legal reason for that van to be where it was. Again,this isn't a bike lane,this is a separated cycle track.

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