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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    The real issue at hand is that neither road user wants to share the shared lane.
    I still say that the three road users are not fully understanding the road markings in the particular lane that they are traveling in, and some informative education is in order. Reading the comments attached to the video, the cyclist is not the only person mistaking the road markings as a dedicated bike lane. If the motorcyclists had made a safer passing maneuver, and if the cyclist was more aware of the road markings meaning, I feel that this incident would not have taken place.

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    Why the green paint if it's not a bike lane though? Around Los Angeles they've started painting some dedicated bike lanes green. The combination of sharrows + green paint (+ bus lane???) could be confusing.

    Last edited by Dunbar; 12-06-13 at 01:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    Why the green paint if it's not a bike lane though? Around Los Angeles they've started painting some dedicated bike lanes green. The combination of sharrows + green paint (+ bus lane???) could be confusing.

    What Green paint... what bike lane... neither one of these things exist in the OP where the cyclist is told that "cyclists are always wrong" by the local PD.

    Frankly in the pic supplied above it should be pretty darn clear that it IS in fact a marked bike lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    The cyclist didn't post the video, the motorcyclist did, plus it's easier to track a motorcyclist's license plate number via traffic cams, (if any were used at the time) the motorcyclist's IP address, You Tube account, than the cyclist's face.
    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Video, driver license database and face recognition software = cyclist is toast. No need to spend tons of time looking for and reviewing street video.
    Yeah, police often go to this sort of trouble to track down and cite somebody for an everyday moving violation or two they didn't personally witness, but have video of. Uh-huh.

    (For the sarcasm impaired -- it's possible, and occasionally happens. But it's extremely rare.)

    The barrel distortion of GoPro and similar cameras often makes it difficult to tell just how close something really is -- but I think this time it was close enough that there's not really any doubt that they were under 3' -- and probably under 1'. It looked to me like the motorcyclists were passing him extra closely just to be dicks (which would elevate this to actual assault) but I wouldn't expect this to be enough evidence to actually support such a charge. (But passing too closely? Yes. Not that the police would be likely to use it.)

    That said, not realizing what the sharrow symbol actually means ... priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    What Green paint... what bike lane... neither one of these things exist in the OP where the cyclist is told that "cyclists are always wrong" by the local PD.
    I was responding to the discussion on this video where the motorcyclists got into it with the older guy on the mountain bike.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KUbnTpMb9pA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    I was responding to the discussion on this video where the motorcyclists got into it with the older guy on the mountain bike.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KUbnTpMb9pA
    The green paint in that vid is somewhat confusing to me... but the bike symbol is one of sharrows, which I understand simply mean a shared lane and a preferred path for cyclists. I think the cyclist is wrong in calling it a bike lane... but I also tend to think the motorcyclists are exhibiting far too much power in that curbside lane that seems to be set aside for parking, cycling, slow traffic (10MPH sign) and a bus waiting area (further down). It is NOT a bike lane, but neither is it a lane to zip along in... By design, it appears to be a very transitional space in which to use the utmost caution.

    The lane in the pic you posted seems very well defined and is likely a bike lane (although I don't see any declarative signs as such)...

    In any case, bike lanes are really not completely exclusive of all other traffic... often there are crossing zones at driveways, and the dashed areas are typically merge zones for all traffic, including cyclists. The solid line at the left edge of a bike lane does indicate no crossing... but it is only a line, not a curb, so some crossing movements may occur. The laws governing roadways seem to only prohibit the crossing of solid double yellow lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    Yeah, police often go to this sort of trouble to track down and cite somebody for an everyday moving violation or two they didn't personally witness, but have video of. Uh-huh.

    (For the sarcasm impaired -- it's possible, and occasionally happens. But it's extremely rare.)

    The barrel distortion of GoPro and similar cameras often makes it difficult to tell just how close something really is -- but I think this time it was close enough that there's not really any doubt that they were under 3' -- and probably under 1'. It looked to me like the motorcyclists were passing him extra closely just to be dicks (which would elevate this to actual assault) but I wouldn't expect this to be enough evidence to actually support such a charge. (But passing too closely? Yes. Not that the police would be likely to use it.)

    That said, not realizing what the sharrow symbol actually means ... priceless.
    Did you include my post to another BF member just to imply that I think the police would do anything? Straw man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Did you include my post to another BF member just to imply that I think the police would do anything? Straw man?
    Well, if you were saying "cyclist is toast" to mean that he was bread that was browned by radiant heat -- my apologies, I misunderstood you.

    (Though you did previously say "Then the ranting cyclist had better hope the police do not watch the video and see him going though the crosswalk while he had a red light", so it should be pretty easy to see how I got the wrong idea.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    Well, if you were saying "cyclist is toast" to mean that he was bread that was browned by radiant heat -- my apologies, I misunderstood you.

    (Though you did previously say "Then the ranting cyclist had better hope the police do not watch the video and see him going though the crosswalk while he had a red light", so it should be pretty easy to see how I got the wrong idea.)
    Ok, I see, you are intentionally taking my post out of context so you have something to come at me with. It was a direct response to dynodonn thinking the motorcyclist would be easier than the cyclist to track down and nothing more than that. So cool your sarcasm jets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    Yeah, police often go to this sort of trouble to track down and cite somebody for an everyday moving violation or two they didn't personally witness, but have video of. Uh-huh.

    (For the sarcasm impaired -- it's possible, and occasionally happens. But it's extremely rare.)
    Agree, on that it occasionally happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Agree, on that it occasionally happens.
    I should point out that the case you brought up goes well beyond "an everyday moving violation" (the words I chose). I was thinking of a video that shows somebody running a red light, or going 67 in a 55 zone -- something like that. Going 195 mph ... yeah, the police are going to come get you. Especially if you've given yourself to them on a silver platter.

    Reckless driving is generally a much more serious charge than most moving violations, and 195 mph certainly should qualify as such.

    But sometimes the police will act on those "running a red light" (but with no collision or anything like that to aggravate it) videos too, even if they didn't personally witness the violation. Very rarely, but it can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    I should point out that the case you brought up goes well beyond "an everyday moving violation" (the words I chose). I was thinking of a video that shows somebody running a red light, or going 67 in a 55 zone -- something like that. Going 195 mph ... yeah, the police are going to come get you. Especially if you've given yourself to them on a silver platter.

    Reckless driving is generally a much more serious charge than most moving violations, and 195 mph certainly should qualify as such.

    But sometimes the police will act on those "running a red light" (but with no collision or anything like that to aggravate it) videos too, even if they didn't personally witness the violation. Very rarely, but it can happen.
    I can understand your point, but my point is that it is not wise to post a video of oneself violating the rules of the road, regardless of how serious the nature, since one cannot be sure who is watching, and what consequences will come of posting the video.

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