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Today's bicycle light setups are light years ahead of my old bottle generator setup on my commuter of years ago, so no quibbling on my part when it comes to having too much lighting.
I will continue to wear my helmet, and use my mirror. And I will ride with all that common sense and experience has taught me.
As for mirrors, I did a group ride this morning with two other guys equipped with helmet mirrors. Most of the time, I would heard a car coming from behind before they saw it in their mirror. So there's that.
As far as lights, specifically the picture that 10Wheels put up, I met a guy who had about that many lights on his bike, which of course generated a discussion about the lights. Which, for him, always leads to the time that he had all of them blazing at night and got rear ended by a cop car. So there's that as well.
Two very anecdotal bits, but isn't this all anecdotal?
When it comes to hi-vis, I like some of it. I have the Mavic hi-vis arm warmers, bright orange with a reflective stripe, which I love. I've been on the lookout for a hot pink jersey, because that's less likely to be confused for a traffic worker, and really catch people's eyes. And it's, you know, fun! But when you feel like you HAVE to wear hi-vis everything to be safe, that's when it becomes a chore.
And that brings me to my main point, and what probably really made me start this thread: cameras. Cameras are supposed to be fun. Riding is supposed to be fun. Riding with a camera on a really great ride can be really fun. Keeping tabs on charging batteries, making sure there's enough space on the card, and mounting it day in and day out to and from work/school/whatever because you're SURE you're going to eventually be involved in a hit and run? That sucks.
And it all flows from there. It reminds me of preppers. Bitter folks who seem like they almost can't wait for something terrible to happen so they can finally prove how prepared they are. Hi-vis jackets and helmets instead of camo and work boots. On-bike cameras in place of home-surveillance systems. Mirrors in place of laser guided scopes. But if a prepper gets hit by a meteorite, all his prepping really doesn't matter, does it? So if I have one light or 7, that car that rams me down really doesn't matter, does it?
It's just a level that seems too militant to me. I'm enjoying my commute. I might don spandex, I might ride in shorts and a t-shirt, but I'm wearing my helmet (because it would be silly not to in this traffic) and I've got my lights (quality over quantity, and sometimes I'll run a second rear on the backpack), and I'm following the rules of the road and being a generally good citizen. I don't feel like it's my responsibility as a cyclist to add all these other things to the list that would become a chore, just to make myself that 1 percent safer on the roads. I'm not anti-helmet, but one of their favorite arguments is that a helmet implies that cycling is dangerous. If a helmet says that, then all the things I've listed earlier must make riding a bicycle look absolutely horrifying. I have a hard enough time convincing non-cyclists that commuting by bike is great fun. I think I'd have an even harder time trying to tell them it's fun if I looked like a construction worker riding a landing strip.
Now to be fair, I understand that some of the things are actually enjoyable to some people. And hey, that's awesome. I'm happy for you. Especially the one commenter that mentioned he enjoys documenting his ride/changing seasons, etc. That sounds like fun. (my commute is too ugly for that). I get that people dig lights and gadgets, that's cool as well. But at the same time, some of you pointed out exactly why I started this post. All of this stuff is optional, but a good bit of people seem to think that it's mandatory in order to qualify as a safe, responsible rider. F*** that.
I would rather be visible, than invisible. If that means hi-vis attire, then so be it. If that means having lights' as bright or brighter than a motor vehicle, then so be it. If that means 'taking the lane' in the traffic flow, instead of being treated like a 'vehicular addendum' to the traffic flow, then so be it.
I think mirrors are effective when you cycle on high speed open roads with few intersections or merges. In a dense urban environment I think relying on a mirror is potentially dangerous.
This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.
WalksOn2Wheels, looks like you just like to post wall texts of gibberish.
Tires on lousy pavement are anything but quiet and air being violently shoved about is pretty easy to hear and interpret. While it is possible for a garbage truck, or any other loud noise source, to mask the sound, it's mighty rare in my experience, perhaps owing to the different frequencies of the sounds.
By the way, I'm not anti-mirror. I'm glad my captain prefers to use one. As my hearing gets worse, I'll likely start using one as well. But don't discount the value of listening well to what is going on. I have dived into ditches based only on the sounds I heard and that has saved me from great harm. I guess for now, I'm good with a belt. Someday, I'll add suspenders.
I love cycling... and I have a couple lawyer friends. But the idea of mixing a chance of litigation with cycling... doesn't appeal to me.
In heavy traffic or poor weather I use flashing lights... even if it isn't dark.
Mirrors. I hate mirrors because they look dorky and they are a lot like walking sticks or canes. They are a needed aid for a disability. But because I am not suicidal and I am an older rider and I greatly benefit by the use of a mirror.... I use one every time I ride.
A little yoga has got me limber (just barely) enough I can get by without a mirror. Hoping I can loosen up a little more.
Cameras are for after the fact. your mind is for NOW.
Offhand I've always wondered what you western Oregonians are doing using the bike lanes over the East Idaho Avenue interchange at I-84...you don't realize the Department Of Travesty wanted you to walk the sidewalks or all the stick figure cyclists ironed on to the start of each lane would not be HEADLESS?
Try DRIVING over there...it's not so hard although it's hectic.
Smile at Miles with a ROLLFAST!Originally Posted by 10 Wheels
And there was the one time I held my line as two cars crashed behind me and 1 went right of me and the other went left of me.
Land of the Free, Because of the Brave.
For what it's worth, it also depends ON THE MIRROR.
Eyeglass mirrors end up requiring me to turn my head some anyway even when they're aimed as good as I can get it, and actually are a distraction. Still, it's less distracting than physically turning around to look backwards as much as looking forwards.
The nice big Mirrycle on my trike? Well-aimed, big image, and easy to glance at.
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