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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post





    I thought she's saying "Don't you have something better for me?"
    She actually did get some turkey this year...it's always funny to see how crazy about it she gets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    I like chocolate cake.



    I don't like peanut butter. Anyone who eats peanut butter is letting the terrorists win.
    BLASPHEMING INFIDEL! Only a communist infiltrator would dare to disparage God's true food - peanut butter. This is also an insult to all right thinking supporters of George Washington Carver! Take you and your Internationale's chocolate cake else where, you communal cake supporting pinko dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    I like chocolate cake.



    I don't like peanut butter. Anyone who eats peanut butter is letting the terrorists win.

    Both chocolate cake and peanut butter should be on the menu and we should be able to freely choose between the two at our own discretion or even have both if we so desire.

    Where the line is crossed is where the chocolate cake eaters try to violate the rights of the peanut butter eaters and forbid them to eat peanut butter and declare they may only eat the chocolate cake. Or when the peanut butter eaters try to violate the rights of the chocolate cake eaters and forbid them to eat chocolate cake and declare they may only eat peanut butter. Even worse when they side with terrorists willing to use terror of force and violence to enforce such an edict or themselves stoop to that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    BLASPHEMING INFIDEL! Only a communist infiltrator would dare to disparage God's true food - peanut butter. This is also an insult to all right thinking supporters of George Washington Carver! Take you and your Internationale's chocolate cake else where, you communal cake supporting pinko dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Where?
    I'm wearing hi vis boxer shorts. PM me for a picture.

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    You are a dangerous, impure zealot and you must be purged. DO NOT PUT YOUR CHOCOLATE IN MY PEANUT BUTTER, ERST I PUT MY PEANUT BUTTER IN YOUR CHOCOLATE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Where?
    Australia ... the UK ...

    For example ...
    http://www.totallyworkwear.com.au/pr...-vis-workwear/
    http://www.kinggee.com.au/catalogue/?purpose=15
    http://www.wholesale-hivis.com.au/


    Road construction crews wear it, of course, but so does just about everyone who doesn't work in an office ... any construction job, farming, working in a warehouse, mining, working in a factory, driving a truck ...

    Roughly half the working population.

    So, if we wear hi vis stuff as cyclists, we don't stand out as looking odd. It's quite normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    I love that line !!! Such a good little quip without being nasty.

    Although I should mention that me personally sometimes when its hot in the summer I do like to just jump on a bike bare chested wearing only a pair of swim trunks and some good tennis shoes (pedaling in saddles sucks) and take a quick 5-10 mile ride down to the nearest good source of cold clean water to jump into. Tried wearing the vest once and it stuck to my bare skin chest and felt weird and sticky. But so long as its not over a bare chest but on top of at least a T-shirt I totally agree, not an issue.
    I wear long sleeve shirts even at 100*F - for sun protection. If they're wicking fabrics, they're just as cool as wearing nothing, and at the end of the day I'm not burned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    Both chocolate cake and peanut butter should be on the menu and we should be able to freely choose between the two at our own discretion or even have both if we so desire.

    Where the line is crossed is where the chocolate cake eaters try to violate the rights of the peanut butter eaters and forbid them to eat peanut butter and declare they may only eat the chocolate cake. Or when the peanut butter eaters try to violate the rights of the chocolate cake eaters and forbid them to eat chocolate cake and declare they may only eat peanut butter. Even worse when they side with terrorists willing to use terror of force and violence to enforce such an edict or themselves stoop to that level.

    Wasn't it Marie Antoinette who said "Let them eat cake?" . That's all, she didn't say it had to be chocolate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Too bad, you refuse the best safety device of your entire list, the mirror.
    The use of mirrors is somewhat of a decision struggle for me. I often ask myself "Do I want to know that I am about to die or be seriously injured or is ignorance bliss?" I realize there is much more to discuss concerning whether to use mirrors or not but sometimes for me it comes down to those two simple arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnymoses View Post
    The use of mirrors is somewhat of a decision struggle for me. I often ask myself "Do I want to know that I am about to die or be seriously injured or is ignorance bliss?" I realize there is much more to discuss concerning whether to use mirrors or not but sometimes for me it comes down to those two simple arguments.
    Do you ride on the street, with cars? They have 3 mirrors...

    Don't look at it as "do I want to know if I am about to die..." but as "I need to have the equipment to make similar traffic decisions as all the other users of the roadway."

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    What's the problem boys? At least in what I've read so far all of the "safety" gear the OP refuses to use are not required items. Now if he wanted to run total night-ninja with no lights or reflectors at all after dark or in inclement weather then that would be an actual problem and clearly codified as such in the mutual agreed to by society rules of the road.

    No one is required to use optional additional "safety" gear. If he don't want too, that's his loss.






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    Now if we are just doing a thread on the pros. and cons. of such items then my personal $0.02 on some of the things so far discussed would be:

    ----- A few really good lights are much better then a whole bunch of pathetic little wimpy ones (and a lot easier to maintain and keep fresh batteries).

    ----- Currently I'm in the process of updating all my lighting systems on my bikes to 12.8v 4-cell LiFePO4 battery pack powered systems running full on 12v automotive LED lights especially those nice big 4" round and 6-6.5" oval bright LED truck tail-lights that are bright enough to meet commercial motor-vehicle standards and those powerful rotating strobes in red and amber like they put on top of plow trucks and such.

    ----- Cameras are a good idea but can be a pain, I haven't made the leap to start running a camera(s) myself but am very close to it. I know for sure that one thing that I really don't want to do is mount a big Go-Pro or similar big ugly thing to my helmet, to the bike not a problem but anything on the helmet is going to need to be small and tight.

    ----- Mirrors can be helpful but should never be relied upon, learn to turn your head and use your ears and at night track shadow arc angles from approaching headlights from behind as well since mirrors don't show the big picture.

    ----- I never could get used to helmet mirrors myself and handle-bar mirrors where the angle changes when the bars are turned aren't ideal for me. I prefer a hard frame mounted mirror which on a normal upright bike I mount a mirror on a short arm sticking out a little less then the handlebars to the left of the head tube at just the right angle to show what is behind me with my pumping left leg in the edge of the view. Gives me the most stable and consistent rear view mirror for me.




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    Also, to the person claiming that bikes don't need mirrors because they don't back up and that is what mirrors on cars are for (backing up). People who just look in the mirror when they back up a car are being dangerous and scare me. The only reason you only use the mirrors when backing up is if your backing up a vehicle where he can't turn around and look and even then you are extremely careful doing so and many times with a large truck you actually get out of the truck and do a walk around before backing up when you have to use only your mirrors to do so and if you don't you will be liable if you back over someone and hurt or kill them.

    This coming from someone who actually often drives 2-5 ton, 6-10 wheel, short trucks and other large vehicles. In fact I'm usually either on a bike or driving a truck (a real truck not one of those little light duty pickup trucks) and driving a light car is the minority after those other two.
    I would like to see a new thread for highly recommended lighting systems people are using today, discussed in terms of:

    Rechargeable
    Single point power switch (I prefer not to spend several minutes clicking and flipping switches for 10+ different lights on my bicycle)
    Visibility, range, and lighting spectrum/radius
    Mounting capabilities/flexibility (what are all the places on/off the bike these can be mounted, including trailers and helmets)
    Reliability and life span
    Water and element proof/resistant
    Price point
    Pros and cons
    Availability, warranty, refund/replacement policy, and level of customer service??

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnymoses View Post
    I often ask myself "Do I want to know that I am about to die or be seriously injured or is ignorance bliss?"
    You have obviously made your decision and chosen Option B.

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    I have a white bike with white reflectors. I have decent lights (especially the one at the back), and I sometimes wear a helmet. I don't wear hi-viz clothing, and from a quick recollection of who does around my neighbourhood, the only people who wear hi-viz has blinking, dangling useless lights.

    I use constant-on lights, as it allows for others (both motorists and bicyclists) to estimate distance. Further, I can swivel my head quite easily, and often do that a few extra times when I know I'm in a blind spot. I also try to make eye contact with drivers. I agree that mirrors are a distraction, not a help. Not because I just haven't "got used to them", but unlike in a car, I can actually swivel my head and see everything. I also look for shadows and light angles. A motorcyclist still swivel their heads, even if they have mirrors. Well, good motorcyclists. However, they are usually hunched down a bit more than I am on my bicycle, and at higher speeds, there is greater force to contend with on a motorcycle.
    My point is that there is nothing I can see in a mirror that I can't see be swiveling my head/torso.

    I know I'm new to this forum, but that attitude the OP is talking about was quick to rear its ugly head, and I happen to agree with him.

    One last thing - about those "half the work force". Yes, but I bet those same people won't be wearing hi-viz when they privately drive down to the grocery shop, do teh school-run or whatever. Hell, most of the people you mention would need to wear hi-viz (by law) if crossing a parking lot. Will the guys who make that argument be wearing hi-viz for that eventuality too? Or how about walking around the city after dark? All the people you have mentioned would need hi-viz for that in their work. So, what about you? Why aren't you wearing hi-viz for that - oh, and bring some battery lights too, as road construction workers need to?

    LOL, sorry, but I actually step off the bike once in a while if traffic is becoming too "blind" (low sun, for instance) and walk on the shoulder or even farther away if need be. Or, as I have done a couple of times: Simply wait it out.
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    I also refuse...to use a mirror

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCjolsen View Post
    A lot of mirror-haters will tell you that a mirror is no substitute for looking back, and that you don't need mirrors because the purpose they serve in cars does not apply to bicycles.

    It's true that cars use mirrors primarily for backing and checking the blind spot before changing lanes. These things don't apply to bicycles. We normally don't back up and our peripheral vision is good enough to see our so-called blind spot.

    But there is other vital information that a cyclist needs from a mirror that cars do not need. When I'm in my car, driving down a two lane road at 60 mph, I don't really care if there is a car 200 or 300 yards behind me. If there is, I'm also not too worried about how fast it's going. In my car, I'm going fast enough that even if the car overtaking me was going 90 or 100 mph, the driver would most likely see me before he rear ended me. In other words, I don't need to worry about getting out of his way any time soon.

    Now, if I'm on the same two lane road riding my bicycle, I do worry about cars 200 or 300 yards behind me and how fast they are going. That is where my mirror comes in very handy. If I see a car behind me, I can keep an eye on it with my mirror and ascertain how fast it is going and how soon it will get to me. Moreover, as it approaches me, I can determine if the driver has seen me by whether or not he starts to move over to pass me or slows down due to oncoming traffic that prevents him from passing me.

    A few times, I've seen a car in my helmet mirror and watched as the driver did not slow down or move over. With that information, I determined that I needed to get myself onto the unpaved shoulder because there was a good chance that the driver did not see me. In those situations my mirror probably saved my life because just "looking back" would have told me the car was there, but not given me any information about it's speed or driver's attentiveness.
    To me, this is letting the terrorists win. I've commuted by bike every day for several decades and I refuse to keep an eye on cars behind me. This would definitely suck the fun out of biking. I ride predictably, moving slowly to the left when parked cars are ahead and if visibility is bad I use lights. I've never had any inclination to use mirrors. I accept the small risk of not being seen and getting hit from behind in exchange for the joy of looking ahead and around and not behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnymoses View Post
    I would like to see a new thread for highly recommended lighting systems people are using today, discussed in terms of:

    Rechargeable
    Single point power switch (I prefer not to spend several minutes clicking and flipping switches for 10+ different lights on my bicycle)
    Visibility, range, and lighting spectrum/radius
    Mounting capabilities/flexibility (what are all the places on/off the bike these can be mounted, including trailers and helmets)
    Reliability and life span
    Water and element proof/resistant
    Price point
    Pros and cons
    Availability, warranty, refund/replacement policy, and level of customer service??
    There is a whole section of the forum that at least in part is dedicated to that "Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets" section of the forum.

    Me personally I've pretty much given up on the current crop of bicycle specific lights (not to say that other people who only very occasionally find themselves out on a bike after dark or in nasty weather aren't capable of having their very basic bare minimal lighting needs met by such products) except for the very highest priced and best quality ones which cost way more then I am willing to spend when I have other options.

    Commercial tractor-trailer grade generic modern rugged high power LED tail lights mounted and wired up by myself to lighter weight 4-cell LiFePO4 batteries (12.8v is close enough to 12v) do the job wonderfully for my needs and the best lights for the lowest price I have found but they do require you to actually twist wires together yourself and figure out how to make your own mounts. Not to mention that cyclists who are always concerned about every last gram of weight would probably have a stroke on the spot if I told them how many grams my lights and battery packs weigh but way more light and lasts for hours and hours of riding time and its really only a few pounds extra weight, far less then what you will add to your own mid-section in tummy fat if you didn't bike.

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    I used a bug eye mirror on my motorcycle helmets for years. Last week I moved one over to my bicycle helmet. I was used to them so it was no big thing to get used to. What I did notice is that it is really nice to turn my head a few degrees to see everything behind me. It actually makes my ride more pleasurable as I don't have to turn around so often to look as was my habit. I am also still nursing neck and head injuries from being hit and I don't have the same range of motion that I used to. My swivel is broken...

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    If, by refusing, you increase joy in your life, then good. I'm not here to say you're doing anything wrong. You're doing what's right for you.

    I've made my decisions about what I'll use, and I'm happy about them, too.
    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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    Yup, Liberty is the best policy. Liberty being only a few things being required and only that which is necessary to respect the rights of others and all other things which only effect you being your own choice. (As apposed to freedom which is total anarchy where absolutely nothing is mandatory even that which is necessary to respect the rights of others, liberty and freedom are two words which do not mean exactly the same thing.) Obviously there will always be debate on where exactly to draw the line with Liberty but the principle is never the less the superior one.

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    I don't get why blinding motorists with a bright headlight is seen as a safe practice, merely because "it gets their attention". In Germany they have strict rules for bicycle lights, and for good reason. There is nothing worse than meeting a bunch of mountainbikers (or runners, for that matter) coming out from the forest with their gigawatt headlights on, when I try to bike my daughter home. I am not the only one annoyed and blinded, all the cars in both directions are likewise blinded as each mountainbiker (or runner) looks to both sides before crossing the road.

    That behaviour will get headlights banned for good, and I hope that the people who think it is perfectly fine to blind fellow road users will find it equally fine to be blinded by a car's high beams while they themselves are operating a motorvehicle. In fact, I find it to be an extremely antisocial behaviour. Headlights (as in helmet lights) have their place, but that place is not on the road.

    Okay, rant over, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFront View Post
    I don't get why blinding motorists with a bright headlight is seen as a safe practice, merely because "it gets their attention". In Germany they have strict rules for bicycle lights, and for good reason. There is nothing worse than meeting a bunch of mountainbikers (or runners, for that matter) coming out from the forest with their gigawatt headlights on, when I try to bike my daughter home. I am not the only one annoyed and blinded, all the cars in both directions are likewise blinded as each mountainbiker (or runner) looks to both sides before crossing the road.

    That behaviour will get headlights banned for good, and I hope that the people who think it is perfectly fine to blind fellow road users will find it equally fine to be blinded by a car's high beams while they themselves are operating a motorvehicle. In fact, I find it to be an extremely antisocial behaviour. Headlights (as in helmet lights) have their place, but that place is not on the road.

    Okay, rant over, lol.
    That has more to do with aiming the light rather than the light itself. I have a German light that fits into the codes there, but if it's aimed too high, people will complain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    That has more to do with aiming the light rather than the light itself. I have a German light that fits into the codes there, but if it's aimed too high, people will complain.
    Yes, to an extent, but most "trail lights" has quite a lot of upwards throw, and if you were to aim it low enough, it would create a "hot spot" right in front of your wheel, not allowing you to see much else.

    But in any case, how would you point a light on a helmet low enough so that when you look up and down the road it is still low enough to not blind anyone? And, more to the point, my comment was aimed at the people using their light as a weapon against fellow road users, even if my example was using "unthinking" mountainbikers/runners.

    People in cars don't run on high beams constantly, and for good reason. I don't see why people on bikes (or runners) should somehow be excempt and them doing what they do, should make it okay to blind other road users. It's not only dangerous, it is outright antisocial in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFront View Post
    I don't get why blinding motorists with a bright headlight is seen as a safe practice, merely because "it gets their attention". In Germany they have strict rules for bicycle lights, and for good reason. There is nothing worse than meeting a bunch of mountainbikers (or runners, for that matter) coming out from the forest with their gigawatt headlights on, when I try to bike my daughter home. I am not the only one annoyed and blinded, all the cars in both directions are likewise blinded as each mountainbiker (or runner) looks to both sides before crossing the road.

    That behaviour will get headlights banned for good, and I hope that the people who think it is perfectly fine to blind fellow road users will find it equally fine to be blinded by a car's high beams while they themselves are operating a motorvehicle. In fact, I find it to be an extremely antisocial behaviour. Headlights (as in helmet lights) have their place, but that place is not on the road.

    Okay, rant over, lol.
    OK, in America we have no "strict rules for bicycle lights," and somewhat poor motorist training... so while it seems dumb to "blind motorists;" bear in mind that a typical excuse for avoiding any repercussions after a collision with a cyclist is the statement "I didn't see the cyclist." Rather hard to deny seeing a cyclist if the lights from a cyclist hit you right in the eyes.

    I wish it were not so, but some motorists require all but being hit over the head with a large stick before they acknowledge that cyclists belong on the road.

    Sure, it would be nice to treat all road users with courtesy... but it just doesn't happen.

    Now that said, I would recommend NOT aiming lights at drivers or other road users unless one can determine that there is a "recognition issue."

    BTW SmallFront... what is the typical training period for motorists in Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    OK, in America we have no "strict rules for bicycle lights," and somewhat poor motorist training... so while it seems dumb to "blind motorists;" bear in mind that a typical excuse for avoiding any repercussions after a collision with a cyclist is the statement "I didn't see the cyclist." Rather hard to deny seeing a cyclist if the lights from a cyclist hit you right in the eyes.
    Yes, but the "A cyclist blinded me, causing me to swerve and hit the pedestrian/car/other cyclist" may then be the "excuse".

    People also often go "I didn't see him (in that other car" when they ram someone in an intersection. Should we have high beams on the sides of cars too?



    I wish it were not so, but some motorists require all but being hit over the head with a large stick before they acknowledge that cyclists belong on the road.
    And some cyclists need to be brow beat before they learn that they do not own the road to the detriment of other road users.

    Sure, it would be nice to treat all road users with courtesy... but it just doesn't happen.
    Surely you are not suggesting what I think you are suggesting: That the solution is to blind other road users, whether you are on a bicycle or motorcycle, or in a car or 18-wheeler?

    Now that said, I would recommend NOT aiming lights at drivers or other road users unless one can determine that there is a "recognition issue."
    What happened to being able to anticipate the traffic, and stop or slow down if you think someone in an intersection will potentially ram you? Blinding him is the solution? Really? You may have the right of way in a given situation, but that doesn't mean you should blind him if you perceive him to not make good on that.

    Oh, and while I'm there, if you only blind the ones you perceive to be coming close to ramming you, how do you keep from blinding other people while doing so, or even just looking while crossing a street/intersection? Do you turn the light on, go from "low" beam to "high" beam? Do you adjust the headlight? No, although it sounds plausible on the surface in a righteous sort of way, the fact is that if you have enough power to blind a motorists in a situation where speed is of the essense, you will also blind other motorists by simply looking around while riding. As a result, I can't take your explanation seriously, nor can I take as anything else than some sort of entitlement. Yes, we have to do something to be safe, but in my neck of the woods, that means being more careful and driving/riding defensively. Not acting aggresively towards other road users.


    BTW SmallFront... what is the typical training period for motorists in Germany?
    I don't know, I'm from Denmark, not Germany, and as such we don't have any rules about this blinding of bicycle lights here either, hence my comment about it being banned (both here and in the US) if people persist in such antisocial behaviour.

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    Interesting response considering that your earlier comment was "In Germany they have strict rules for bicycle lights, and for good reason."

    To give a summery response to your Q & A below, I suggest some practical cycling on fast multilane arterial roads in Southern California... then you can come back with your snappy quips.

    And as to "What happened to being able to anticipate the traffic, and stop or slow down if you think someone in an intersection will potentially ram you?" Bit difficult to do when you are in the lane, moving with the flow of traffic, and some dunderhead tries making a left turn into you as they perceive you as a gap in traffic.

    Have a nice day.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFront View Post
    Yes, but the "A cyclist blinded me, causing me to swerve and hit the pedestrian/car/other cyclist" may then be the "excuse".

    People also often go "I didn't see him (in that other car" when they ram someone in an intersection. Should we have high beams on the sides of cars too?




    And some cyclists need to be brow beat before they learn that they do not own the road to the detriment of other road users.



    Surely you are not suggesting what I think you are suggesting: That the solution is to blind other road users, whether you are on a bicycle or motorcycle, or in a car or 18-wheeler?


    What happened to being able to anticipate the traffic, and stop or slow down if you think someone in an intersection will potentially ram you? Blinding him is the solution? Really? You may have the right of way in a given situation, but that doesn't mean you should blind him if you perceive him to not make good on that.

    Oh, and while I'm there, if you only blind the ones you perceive to be coming close to ramming you, how do you keep from blinding other people while doing so, or even just looking while crossing a street/intersection? Do you turn the light on, go from "low" beam to "high" beam? Do you adjust the headlight? No, although it sounds plausible on the surface in a righteous sort of way, the fact is that if you have enough power to blind a motorists in a situation where speed is of the essense, you will also blind other motorists by simply looking around while riding. As a result, I can't take your explanation seriously, nor can I take as anything else than some sort of entitlement. Yes, we have to do something to be safe, but in my neck of the woods, that means being more careful and driving/riding defensively. Not acting aggresively towards other road users.




    I don't know, I'm from Denmark, not Germany, and as such we don't have any rules about this blinding of bicycle lights here either, hence my comment about it being banned (both here and in the US) if people persist in such antisocial behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Interesting response considering that your earlier comment was "In Germany they have strict rules for bicycle lights, and for good reason."
    Really, you think that is "interesting" (in other words, you're suggesting I'm being dishonest)?

    Now, let me copy/paste the above quote verbatim, and the bold is my emphasis:

    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Interesting response considering that your earlier comment was "In Germany they have strict rules for bicycle lights, and for good reason."
    I didn't say "we", now did I? No, I said "they", because I don't live there, nor am I a German. "Interesting"? Only that you didn't catch what I thought would be pretty obvious.


    To give a summery response to your Q & A below, I suggest some practical cycling on fast multilane arterial roads in Southern California... then you can come back with your snappy quips.
    Ah, yes, the usual response when someone is confronted with actual arguments but are unable to come up with some valid ones for his own claims: "You don't live where I live, therefore my behaviour is justified. And if I say that, I can safely ignore anything and everything anyone says against my behaviour".

    And as to "What happened to being able to anticipate the traffic, and stop or slow down if you think someone in an intersection will potentially ram you?" Bit difficult to do when you are in the lane, moving with the flow of traffic, and some dunderhead tries making a left turn into you as they perceive you as a gap in traffic.
    Ah, yes, and blinding him is the solution

    I have biked in Rome and New York and backwaters in various parts of the world. It's not like I'm new to cycling in traffic. I guess since I don't attempt to blind other road users in a fit of vigilantism I am unsafe in traffic.

    Have a nice day.
    Yes, nothing like being called out on antisocial behaviour and then duck and run while insinuating that the person calling you out on it is dishonest.

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