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Matariki 12-04-13 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spivonious (Post 16300740)
Exactly.

I second that. Your optimistic style of riding makes me shudder.

phoebeisis 12-04-13 05:22 PM

First video is all I needed to see.
Suicidal

Chris516 12-04-13 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Multcomedic (Post 16301320)
Nope. It's a separate path to a crossing and then to a second crossing. It then leads to a sidewalk which then crosses to another separate path. It's a mess and I now hit this intersection from a different direction and use the car turn lane. The other end of this when returning from the opposite direction is worse. Separate bike path that has a sharp left turn onto a marked and lit crossing with traffic exiting the freeway parallel to the path coming from behind. All of this on a sweeping arch so you have to watch for exiting traffic over your right shoulder before making the left sharp turn. It's a great design. I'm not sure if the link will work but the video location and the sharp turn crossing are labeled. https://mapsengine.google.com/map/ed...0.kTYDNVhsJXO0

It says I need permission?

Multcomedic 12-04-13 08:49 PM

Crap. Missed a security default. It should work now.

Multcomedic 12-04-13 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by phoebeisis (Post 16301535)
First video is all I needed to see.
Suicidal

Suicidal? I suppose 2 sets of standards despite what the law says is ok? While driving do you constantly give way to everyone to your left? Is the right side lane just a space for those on the left to blindly turn into and across? The double standard that some many of you have become accustomed to is causing much of these problems.

Brian Ratliff 12-04-13 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Multcomedic (Post 16302045)
... I suppose 2 sets of standards despite what the law says is ok? ...

Yup, pretty much dictated by differences in vehicle traits. I'm pragmatic. I'd rather protect myself than adhere to the letter of the law. I've ridden up in Vancouver a few times. Besides almost getting run over by a wrong way drunk through the military base there, seemed like a fairly easy place to ride. Easier than Beaverton anyway.

CommuteCommando 12-04-13 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wphamilton (Post 16300576)
. . .Yet, you'll be a lot safer if you don't pass to the right of cars in the intersection.

Yes, this. But a big issue I have is drivers not signaling. I don't like passing cars on the right aproaching intersections. If they are clearly signaling a right turn, I will go around them to the left, if safe. I didn't see if those cars were signaling right turn/lane change (#$^$& ATT DSL-youtube hangs a lot), but I would lay beter than even odds that they weren't

curly666 12-05-13 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Multcomedic (Post 16300533)
For some reason I've been attracting the mutants behind the wheel types lately. More proof that my strobes, blinkies, bright flourescent jacket, and reflectors do little good. I still have to ride like there are homicidal drunken mutants behind the wheel of every vehicle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWYGTz4brKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ZUFYYqTlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtvIyYw5MQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP0exIthXLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEYg7B2WvU8

Video #1. Driver clearly had signal light on and the right of way, you had no business passing him on the right.
Video #2. Agree on this one.
Video #3. Happens, sometimes we all get caught in this position with traffic and don’t have room to back up, get over it.
Video #4. Watch your video again, you were in his blind spot, how can he see you. If you would rant at someone like that where I ride you might end up in another video, the 6 o’clock news showing you in a body bag. Just as you are looking for confrontation with your video camera there are others with guns just looking to END confrontations with people like you. You might want to be more careful with your actions.
Video #5. Poor excuse for a bike lane, guy had door open before you got there so you have to make adjustments for your line.
All the videos you show are just common everyday situations we all have to ride in, get over it and chill out instead of trying to make a big deal of things so you get to use your camera.

dynodonn 12-05-13 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by curly666 (Post 16302834)
All the videos you show are just common everyday situations we all have to ride in.......

Pretty much.... and I didn't see any homicidal drunken mutants in any of the videos.

CommuteCommando 12-05-13 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by noisebeam (Post 16301088)

Yes! This.^ It is what I usually do. Check out the stupid cyclist trick at ~2:50. My cam is handlebar mounted so it doesn't catch this guy until he pops out of the side walk. My head is on a swivel here, so I saw him before the camera did, and was prepared.


I-Like-To-Bike 12-05-13 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dynodonn (Post 16302880)
Pretty much.... and I didn't see any homicidal drunken mutants in any of the videos.

Must be you lack the fertile imagination of some of our more hysterical comrades.

dynaryder 12-05-13 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris516 (Post 16301171)
Video #1 : I would have insisted the car make their right turn.

I had this happen today. Bike lane was set up so it split between the straight lane and an off ramp. Driver waited too long to merge over,must've seen me behind him,and slowed to almost a stop half in the straight lane and half in the bike lane with his signal on. I slowed to a crawl,pulled in behind him,and gestured for him to go. As he turned off and I passed him(on the left) he leaned out his window and angrily yelled he was trying to help me.

I couldn't tell if he wanted me to go past him or not,and I wasn't willing to take the chance if I was wrong. He thought he was being helpful,but he was just promoting bad behavior.

surreal 12-05-13 07:48 PM

I read this whole thread, and all it did was make me even less enthusiastic about bike lanes. I'm so glad I don't have to put up with any on my typical commute, or to the LE ppl trying to enforce bike lane usage.

howsteepisit 12-05-13 07:58 PM

Things are usually worse in the A&S forums than in real life.

mr_bill 12-05-13 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CommuteCommando (Post 16303192)

Not to mention the jogger jogging the wrong way at 2:09. The terror of MUPs!

-mr. bill

gsa103 12-05-13 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Multcomedic (Post 16302045)
Suicidal? I suppose 2 sets of standards despite what the law says is ok? While driving do you constantly give way to everyone to your left? Is the right side lane just a space for those on the left to blindly turn into and across? The double standard that some many of you have become accustomed to is causing much of these problems.

You pulled up into a car that had a right-turn signal on. That's absolutely inviting getting right-hooked. You put yourself directly in harms way to save 3 sec. That's really not any different than any other driver behaving badly.

gsa103 12-05-13 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 16304896)
I had this happen today. Bike lane was set up so it split between the straight lane and an off ramp. Driver waited too long to merge over,must've seen me behind him,and slowed to almost a stop half in the straight lane and half in the bike lane with his signal on. I slowed to a crawl,pulled in behind him,and gestured for him to go. As he turned off and I passed him(on the left) he leaned out his window and angrily yelled he was trying to help me.

I couldn't tell if he wanted me to go past him or not,and I wasn't willing to take the chance if I was wrong. He thought he was being helpful,but he was just promoting bad behavior.

This is the main problem at the moment. Cyclists are un-predictable. Driver's don't know how to react around cyclists. In order to make things safer we need to educate both driver's and cyclists about the expectations in many common situations.

CommuteCommando 12-05-13 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 16304896)
. . . As he turned off and I passed him(on the left) he leaned out his window and angrily yelled he was trying to help me.

I couldn't tell if he wanted me to go past him or not,and I wasn't willing to take the chance if I was wrong. He thought he was being helpful,but he was just promoting bad behavior.

I have had this happen and usually respond by shouting back that I never pass to the right. Part of the problem is that arounde here turnsignals are not used, or used to celebrate a successful lane change.

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Originally Posted by mr_bill (Post 16305192)
Not to mention the jogger jogging the wrong way at 2:09. The terror of MUPs!

-mr. bill

That jogger was not a problem. He was holding a steady line off to the side. The kid on the Next entered onto the path without looking. If I had my head up my keester like he did, there would have been a collision.

Amblyopia 12-06-13 04:08 PM

just wanted to voice my support for Multcomedic in their quest to call out the law-breaking drivers, and scold all the victim blaming going on in this thread...

FBinNY 12-06-13 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amblyopia (Post 16307774)
just wanted to voice my support for Multcomedic in their quest to call out the law-breaking drivers, and scold all the victim blaming going on in this thread...

OTOH some of don't see law-breaking drivers in some or all the videos, and aren't blaming the victim because there was none (yet).

Being safe in traffic is an active process involving making adjustments to reality as it is, not expecting that it conform to an ideal.

tmallen 12-23-13 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris516 (Post 16301171)
Video #1 : I would have insisted the car make their right turn.

Video #2 : I would have just 'taken the lane', in the regular travel lane.

Video #3 : Are you riding on the sidewalk?

Video #4 : I didn't see a 'bike lane'. But, I do agree, it was rude of him to decide to 'hug the curb', with his pickup truck.

Video #5 : I agree 100%.

I registered to post a similar reply. OP should work on cycling better instead of sharing videos on YouTube. Bicycling on a crosswalk? ... And if you make a scene every time a car is blocking your way, you're gonna give yourself a heartattack riding.

tmallen 12-23-13 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by curly666 (Post 16302834)
All the videos you show are just common everyday situations we all have to ride in, get over it and chill out instead of trying to make a big deal of things so you get to use your camera.

Amen! The stuff in these videos wouldn't even cross my mind at the end of the day. People who don't see me at stop signs, left turns in front of me ... people turning right who don't see me, or people turning left who don't see me coming up from behind while I'm stopped waiting for the left. The rider in these clips is never remotely in danger.

bluegoatwoods 12-31-13 07:34 PM

Hmmm....I took notes on my thoughts on the five videos. Then I read the responses. Those covered the ground that I would have covered. Oh well, I'll post it anyway

Video #1 . Should a turning vehicle really be required to yield to traffic that is actually behind him? I tend to put the most responsibility on the person who has the best line-of-sight view of the situation that is developing.

Video #2 . He briefly went into a space that was not his, technically, in order to get around obstructing traffic. It appears that you had to slow down just a bit, I guess. But that's to be expected anywhere there's traffic. The cars often have to slow down a bit just to get around us bicyclists. Are they justified in their anger over this?

Video #3 . Okay. He stopped in a cross walk and should have tried a bit harder to get out. I can't claim otherwise. But if this was the worst behavior that I'd ever had to deal with from other people on the road, then life would be pretty easy.

#4 . Yeah. He did wrong. But it's the sort of wrongness that you really should expect from an awful lot of drivers. And some bicyclists. You weren't wrong for pointing out his error. But this might have been a case where honey would have attracted more flies than vinegar.

#5 . Buses parked badly. Yep. And a guy opened his door without looking.

In the first case I say that the driver committed no foul at all. The fouls that did occur were very ordinary. So ordinary, really, that it boils down to expected 'traffic friction'. All traffic, and not just bicyclists, has to put up with stuff like that.

Don't let stuff like this get you angry. If you do, then you'll never have a good day.


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