55 bicycles confiscated by Charleston SC Police for illegal parking
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55 bicycles confiscated by Charleston SC Police for illegal parking
Charleston also requires bicycles to be registered and decaled. Now they are cracking down on illegal bicycle parking on King Street. However, I do agree with the crackdown on illegal parking. Charleston spent countless $1,000s of dollars putting in bicycle racks and corrals to crack down on all the bikes chaining themselves to poles and trees blocking sidewalks and even making it hard to enter businesses.
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Do they break the locks on illegally parked cars and impound them as well? If so, then I don't have a problem with their enforcement. If not, then it appears to just be a way to harass cyclists.
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They should have put up signs about the new ordinance. It looks like a great many cyclists were surprised when the ordinance was enforced. They can (and should) challenge this in court.
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Signage should have been posted, you don't change on street auto parking to no parking and announce it anywhere but the location where it applies. It appears it is more lucrative to confiscate the bike and hold it hostage.
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They had another option which was to put warning reminders on bikes during an introduction period.
At the very least, this approach was high handed and totally improper in a civil society.
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There's a real issue of failure to inform. Cities put up permanent signs saying where parking isn't allowed. Putting it on a facebook page, and a media press release is totally inadequate.
They had another option which was to put warning reminders on bikes during an introduction period.
At the very least, this approach was high handed and totally improper in a civil society.
They had another option which was to put warning reminders on bikes during an introduction period.
At the very least, this approach was high handed and totally improper in a civil society.
City Councilman Mike Seekings should cover the cost for all the initial tickets and locks caused by his poorly written and executed law.
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I tend to be a no harm-no foul guy, and wonder if city provided bike racks are necessary, but I don't live there so it's not my issue. Just play fair and put up the necessary signs. BTW- while bicyclists are expected to pony up $45.00, I wonder what auto parking tickets run.
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And if the rest of the bike racks are like the one in front of the police station, I would not be locking my bicycle to that wheel bender, regardless.
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It is harassment. Because, Police usually only tow when vehicles are parked in a 'No Parking Zone' and/or, after several tickets on the same vehicle not being moved after the first ticket.
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I don't know that there was an agenda. Just a certain statist arrogance, and disrespect for the public a large. Even if they correct then initial issue, there's always the issue of what happens when an unitiated out of towner bikes in and has no way of know where and where not to leave his bicycle.
I tend to be a no harm-no foul guy, and wonder if city provided bike racks are necessary, but I don't live there so it's not my issue. Just play fair and put up the necessary signs. BTW- while bicyclists are expected to pony up $45.00, I wonder what auto parking tickets run.
I tend to be a no harm-no foul guy, and wonder if city provided bike racks are necessary, but I don't live there so it's not my issue. Just play fair and put up the necessary signs. BTW- while bicyclists are expected to pony up $45.00, I wonder what auto parking tickets run.
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BTW- while bicyclists are expected to pony up $45.00, I wonder what auto parking tickets run.
But any situation that requires the towing of 55 vehicles at the same time strongly suggests a very poor job of making the rules clear on the part of the government.
I guess they "towed" the bikes (ruining the locks, which increases the price) because they don't have a way of ticketing the owners otherwise. But a sane city could put notices on them first and make sure people knew the (new?) rules.
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In a perfect world, perhaps. In the real world, the government enjoys a large degree of immunity to citizen lawsuits and generally takes advantage of that ("shouldn't have parked there, it's your fault"), and the tow company would say "it must have been like that before we towed it" and force you to sue them, where it turns into a "he said, she said" situation. And that assumes that the government immunity (if it applies -- it doesn't always) doesn't also protect them when acting as an agent for the government.
But texas governments probably like getting lots of damage claims because of bad tow companies.
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I think the PD should have initiated their enforcement action with a note left on the bike, but nevertheless, folks should have known.
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The town I live in in South Florida is also having a bit of an issue with bikes being locked to poles, lamps, trees, fences etc. When 3 or 4 people locks their bikes to a sign post on sidewalk, typically next to a bus stop, it does cause a hazard for pedestrians. The city is not taking bikes yet, but it's an issue that keeps coming up and there are a few signs that tell people not to lock bikes to this post. Mostly in parks and things like parking meters.
Private property owners have been known to cut locks and remove bikes that are locked to private fences, posts etc.
Private property owners have been known to cut locks and remove bikes that are locked to private fences, posts etc.
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Cyclist need to ban together and inform the stores and businesses in that area they they will no longer do business with the stores in that area.
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Why put it on the businesses? It's the cyclists problem and they should address it directly to the law and policymakers rather than pass the buck to people running business.
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I suspect that with any new ordinance, even though well publicized, less than 20% of folks get the word. In this case, it appears from my searching a bit, that this ban was announced in many ways as early as the first week in October.
I think the PD should have initiated their enforcement action with a note left on the bike, but nevertheless, folks should have known.
I think the PD should have initiated their enforcement action with a note left on the bike, but nevertheless, folks should have known.
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The town I live in in South Florida is also having a bit of an issue with bikes being locked to poles, lamps, trees, fences etc. When 3 or 4 people locks their bikes to a sign post on sidewalk, typically next to a bus stop, it does cause a hazard for pedestrians. The city is not taking bikes yet, but it's an issue that keeps coming up and there are a few signs that tell people not to lock bikes to this post. Mostly in parks and things like parking meters.
Private property owners have been known to cut locks and remove bikes that are locked to private fences, posts etc.
Private property owners have been known to cut locks and remove bikes that are locked to private fences, posts etc.
There are bikes all over chained to fences posts and whatever,,looks kewl to me. Nobody minds.
In Detroit when they have the once a month critical mass, there is usually a couple of police cars blocking off the start to cars and wishing every one to have a good time and ride safe over their speakers. Sometimes well over a thousand bicyclists.
I wouldnt spend my money or support a city that feels it needs to fine bicyclists or harrass them in anyway, who needs it,,there are many many many bicycle friendly cities,,who needs the city of Charleston.
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The problem is that the bikes block sidewalks and businesses. Sure, there was plenty of room at 7:30am when the rider locked up the bike to the sign post, but at noon when a lot of people get out on lunch, bikes sometimes block the sidewalks so pedestrians can;t walk by or restaurants cannot put out their sidewalk tables and chairs for the lunch rush customers. The restaurants pay a fee to be able to use some sidewalk space for serving lunch, but at least around where i live, bikes are not supposed to be on sidewalks.
Even though I enjoy avid bike riding, I would never think to lock my bike to the fence or mailbox of a private home owner.
Even though I enjoy avid bike riding, I would never think to lock my bike to the fence or mailbox of a private home owner.
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The problem is that the bikes block sidewalks and businesses. Sure, there was plenty of room at 7:30am when the rider locked up the bike to the sign post, but at noon when a lot of people get out on lunch, bikes sometimes block the sidewalks so pedestrians can;t walk by or restaurants cannot put out their sidewalk tables and chairs for the lunch rush customers. The restaurants pay a fee to be able to use some sidewalk space for serving lunch, but at least around where i live, bikes are not supposed to be on sidewalks.
Even though I enjoy avid bike riding, I would never think to lock my bike to the fence or mailbox of a private home owner.
Even though I enjoy avid bike riding, I would never think to lock my bike to the fence or mailbox of a private home owner.
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Very reasonable and excellent post. I think we cyclists need to look at all aspects of cycling and how we impact everyone. What's funny is many of the same posters that see nothing wrong about parking a bicycle on a crowded sidewalk are the ones that complain about not being able to use a full lane of traffic. Either a bicycle is a vehicle or it isn't.
Taking an entire lane in most cities in America is ludicrous and asking for trouble. Maybe New York and Portland are exceptions. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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Agree, looks like some at the police department are using their memories of childhood school days long past, for what should pass as bicycle parking..... like everyone is still using coaster rear brakes similar to the bike depicted in the photo.