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B. Carfree 12-05-13 07:10 PM

Bike Lanes to Nowhere
 
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I was in Medford, OR over the weekend and encountered some of the worst examples of recently implemented bike specific infrastructure that I have seen outside of Eugene. Some of it inspired me to start this thread for people to post the worst examples of bike lanes to nowhere and other poor implementations. Here's the starter, McAndrews Rd and Crater Lake Ave in Medford, OR:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=medfo...regon&t=h&z=20

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=354005

That's a 7-11 on the northeast corner. The bike lane extends from the driveway just east of the intersection to the intersection, eastbound. (It starts at the right edge of the image.) There is also a bike lane from the intersection northbound that runs to the driveway into the 7-11 and another from the intersection extending east for about fifty feet, the longest bike lane of the bunch.

Anyone who actually uses any of these bike lanettes is in for a rough ride. Westbound, the bike lane serves to shunt cyclists out of the way at the intersection; there is no continuation of it on the other side, so a cyclist would have to fight his/her way back into the lane proper. The same problem exists for the other two lanettes.

Show your failure implementations.

(Note: I'm not opposed to bike lanes in general, only the ones that make life worse for cyclists.)

surreal 12-05-13 08:03 PM

Arguably, those are "Bike Lanes to 7-11"

Grillparzer 12-05-13 09:57 PM

I'm posting this as a space holder. There used to be a way of following a thread without posting to it, but I don't see how to do it now.

There's an intersection in DC I'll write about when I get home from work.

B. Carfree 12-06-13 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by surreal (Post 16305187)
Arguably, those are "Bike Lanes to 7-11"

They are only bike lanes to the 7-11 after one exits the 7-11. Exit south into the westbound forty feet of bike lane, turn north in the remaining forty feet and turn east back into the 7-11 parking lot. Round and round we go...

Classically, the westbound bike lane has a "bike lane ends" sign at its terminus, which is quite close to its origin.

Chris516 12-06-13 12:47 AM

I couldn't get a good picture of a bike lane that abruptly ends in my locale.

Grillparzer 12-06-13 01:23 AM

After riding through this intersection several times, I read this article, watched the video, and decided that I'll just detour around it from now on. The District tried to do the right thing, but it just doesn't work. In my ignorance I stood a good chance of becoming a hood ornament.

http://iamtraffic.org/evaluation/the-six-way/

CB HI 12-06-13 02:58 AM

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CB HI 12-06-13 03:00 AM

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CB HI 12-06-13 04:19 AM

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spivonious 12-06-13 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Grillparzer (Post 16305461)
I'm posting this as a space holder. There used to be a way of following a thread without posting to it, but I don't see how to do it now.

There's an intersection in DC I'll write about when I get home from work.

above the first post: Thread Tools -> Subscribe to Thread

ItsJustMe 12-06-13 08:13 AM

That's a great set of images for lousy bike infrastructure. I'm gonna bookmark that.

B. Carfree 12-06-13 01:10 PM

Come on CB, give credit where it's due. Tell us where those wonderful bike lanes are located so we can all send the traffic engineers our warm regards.:love::innocent:

dynaryder 12-06-13 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16305845)

This reminded me of JoeyBike's fatbike commute video.

Rollfast 12-06-13 06:27 PM

@CB HI At least they agreed about riding on the sidewalk...

Is that federally protected grass or something in the litle garden spot?

Pedaleur 12-06-13 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16305893)

WTF is with the cars parked perpendicularly?

CB HI 12-06-13 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedaleur (Post 16308340)
WTF is with the cars parked perpendicularly?

That is a one block street next to the new University of Hawaii Medical Research Center. There are NO cyclist that use that street. Only research staff and delivery trucks use it, plus a couple of cops that like to park under that large shade tree in the top left.

CbadRider 12-06-13 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Grillparzer (Post 16305461)
I'm posting this as a space holder. There used to be a way of following a thread without posting to it, but I don't see how to do it now.

You can subscribe to threads in order to follow them.

Ramona_W 12-06-13 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by surreal (Post 16305187)
Arguably, those are "Bike Lanes to 7-11"

+1

CommuteCommando 12-06-13 11:20 PM

Here is an example in So CA.

This, http://app.strava.com/segments/5559593 is a segment in one of the most popular bike routes in the country. Check the number of Strava users. This is the main corrodor on rides from Los Angeles to San Diego. Portions of it, like this segment, run right along the Pacific Coast.

There is an initiative called Rails to Trails. A big part of that is spending money to develop MUP's along railroad rights of way. This segment http://app.strava.com/segments/1825994 is part of that. Notice that it paralells the segment in the first link, over about the same distance. Now notice the number of strava users and compare that to the number using the segment in the first link, which is Class II bike lane. This was a good one for taking my six year old grandaughter for a safe ride. She just turned thirteen and got her first "big girl" beach cruiser and is good to go without it.

Considering there are other safe ride for kids, I think the whole Rails to Trails thing is pretty much a waste of money that could be spent on infrastructure that more people would actually use.

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Originally Posted by CbadRider (Post 16308587)
You can subscribe to threads in order to follow them.

Quoting Cbad here to flag her to this post to get her input, since she's a local.

B. Carfree 12-06-13 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CommuteCommando (Post 16308705)
Here is an example in So CA.

This, http://app.strava.com/segments/5559593 is a segment in one of the most popular bike routes in the country. Check the number of Strava users. This is the main corrodor on rides from Los Angeles to San Diego. Portions of it, like this segment, run right along the Pacific Coast.

There is an initiative called Rails to Trails. A big part of that is spending money to develop MUP's along railroad rights of way. This segment http://app.strava.com/segments/1825994 is part of that. Notice that it paralells the segment in the first link, over about the same distance. Now notice the number of strava users and compare that to the number using the segment in the first link, which is Class II bike lane. This was a good one for taking my six year old grandaughter for a safe ride. She just turned thirteen and got her first "big girl" beach cruiser and is good to go without it.

Considering there are other safe ride for kids, I think the whole Rails to Trails thing is pretty much a waste of money that could be spent on infrastructure that more people would actually use.

I agree with you that the segment you link to is useless and a waste of money. Little one km paths create more problems than they solve, as a general rule. However, I wouldn't use that poor example to condemn all rail to trail projects as worthless. Frankly, I'd love to see the rail lines of Oregon add bike paths alongside them (rails with trails). This is largely because of our problematic bubba drivers drunkenly meandering along the two lane highways that define our state road system; it would be nice to roll those five to fifty mile stretches without any road issues that the SP rail line has.

CommuteCommando 12-07-13 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16308736)
I wouldn't use that poor example to condemn all rail to trail projects as worthless.

I agree. In my local area, Oceanside/Carlsbad CA, urbanization makes for some really fragmented Rail to Trail projects with no-win transitions. One segment that would make sense for a Rail to Trail project near here is from Oceanside Harbor to Las Pulgas Rd in Camp Pendleton. Currently there are only two options. One is to ride the shoulder of Interstate 5, or go through the Camp Pendleton Marine Base via Stuart Mesa Rd. I take Stuart Mesa. The freeway is popular only with those who refuse to wear helmets, which are manditory on base.

There is a rail line from LA to San Diego, that I actually ride daily to work, that follows really close to the freeway. This old truss bridge, http://goo.gl/maps/uxu58 , is currently being replaced with a concrete bridge adjacent. Converting it to a bike bridge is something I would like to see, rather than tearing it down. (I can get pretty nostalgic. I grew up with it)

B. Carfree 12-07-13 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CommuteCommando (Post 16308752)
I agree. In my local area, Oceanside/Carlsbad CA, urbanization makes for some really fragmented Rail to Trail projects with no-win transitions. One segment that would make sense for a Rail to Trail project near here is from Oceanside Harbor to Las Pulgas Rd in Camp Pendleton. Currently there are only two options. One is to ride the shoulder of Interstate 5, or go through the Camp Pendleton Marine Base via Stuart Mesa Rd. I take Stuart Mesa. The freeway is popular only with those who refuse to wear helmets, which are manditory on base.

There is a rail line from LA to San Diego, that I actually ride daily to work, that follows really close to the freeway. This old truss bridge, http://goo.gl/maps/uxu58 , is currently being replaced with a concrete bridge adjacent. Converting it to a bike bridge is something I would like to see, rather than tearing it down. (I can get pretty nostalgic. I grew up with it)

Here's one of my favorite rail to trail bridge conversions. It's over the Mad River near Arcata:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Arcat...&cbp=12,0,,0,0

After dealing with the yuck from the Newbury Pkwy to Patrick's Point when cycling down from OR, it is always nice to reach this part of the ride and have a respite from the annoying traffic.

dynodonn 12-07-13 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16308768)
Here's one of my favorite rail to trail bridge conversions.

....but the one pedestrian bridge that I saw in Eugene is far more visually aesthetic, especially at night.

howeeee 12-07-13 10:46 AM

any attempt at bicycle lanes and bicycle awareness is better than none. when there are bike lanes of any sort at least this shows motorists that bicycles might be there and that it is legal for them to be there,,its much better nothing, I dont care how bad they are or poorly designed. When they are poorly designed it is usually do to the cost of starting all over again to include bicycles. Ill take them anyway.

dynodonn 12-07-13 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by howeeee (Post 16309499)
any attempt at bicycle lanes and bicycle awareness is better than none. when there are bike lanes of any sort at least this shows motorists that bicycles might be there and that it is legal for them to be there,,its much better nothing, I dont care how bad they are or poorly designed. When they are poorly designed it is usually do to the cost of starting all over again to include bicycles. Ill take them anyway.

I'm rather dubious with that statement, since bad or poor designed bike lanes can come at the expense of a cyclist's safety, and tend to contain or marginalize a number of cyclists' riding ability. I doubt that a number of motorists would tolerate very long, the same type of infrastructure designs that some cyclists are expected to contend with.


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